A simple, sincere appeal for your opinion... Why should Conservatives stay in the Republican Party?

Genuine conservatives have already left the GOP! ( Here is a link to my thread if you are interested. http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-gop-is-no-longer-a-‘conservative’-party.510690/ )

The reason they left is because the extremist alt right now in charge of the GOP is not conservative because it embraces RADICAL change.

As far as the failure to "get rid of Obamacare" goes it demonstrates the incompetence of the extremist alt right in a nutshell. They are so extreme that they cannot recognize that there is merit in Obamacare that even staunch life-long Republicans want to keep. Not allowing the greedy health insurers to exclude pre-existing conditions is one glaring example. Obamacare, for all it's flaws, is doing enough good for even Republicans to want to keep the parts that are working hence the inability to obtain a consensus to repeal it without a similar replacement.

That the OP sees no value whatsoever in Obamacare means that he belongs ideologically with the extremist alt right. Which makes for an interesting conundrum. In essence as a member of the extremist alt right he wants to leave the GOP for "conservative reasons" that are actually RADICAL reasons instead. The failure of healthcare prior to Obamacare is not something worth "conserving". The majority of We the People do NOT want that. Only the extremist alt right is looking for that kind of radical change.

So does the OP really know the basis on which he wants to leave the GOP? Is it because the current extremist alt right control of the party is too incompetent and radicalised to achieve a realistic compromise and the OP wants an authoritarian party that will march in lockstep instead? Or is it because the OP still has some shreds of actual conservative dignity and wants to distance himself the failure and incompetence that he has helped to create in the GOP? In which case he alienates himself from the extremist alt right for which he has an all too obvious affinity judging by his posts.

Not sure that I have an answer for the OP but hopefully this might give him some insight into the problem that he is trying to address.

Good luck.

 

I think you are hopelessly confused.

 

To the contrary, the country needs to shift to hardcore right OR hardcore left to a radical, revolutionary degree. To have an election showdown across the board - President and Congress - between those are the far right and those on the far left. NOTHING else could get rid of the corrupt incumbents or get their replacements to clean house in the administrative officers. In a none violent sense, there needs to be a slaughter of those of the status quo.

 

The traitorous and perfectly corrupt Democrats in Congress plan for health care is that NO ONE has health insurance, under the strategy that either people can support completely socialized, government control of healthcare - or everyone can die.

 

Russian bot says what?

 

Assumes asinine extremist alt right disinformation NOT anywhere remotely in evidence.

 

What good is a choice if healthcare is totally unaffordable and people are just getting sick and getting financially ruined or can't save because of their monstrous premiums when everywhere else people pay a fraction of all that in healthcare costs. You can't choose not to get sick or that you can do without a doctor, healthcare isn't a choice, we need a system that works and is affordable for nearly everyone.

 

Lol...Yeah. Reactionary thinking is on the wrong side of history.
A one world of people working together is where we're heading.
The corporations are promoting it and the cheek to jowl problems of the world caused by arbitrary lines in the sand will demand that we end up cooperating instead of trying to kill each other off if we want to survive.

 

Hugo Chavez to Obama, "You are left of me!" There has never been a Progressive regime that didn't impose its will through totalitarian policies. Even in this country, with all our protections, Obama and Holder attempted to kill the Second Amendment by killing Americans via Fast and Furious. Obama weaponized the IRS to attack the opposition party and deny them First Amendment protections to get an alternate viewpoint out. Obama spied on millions of American citizens and assassinated an American for mere suspicion of a crime.

While the tenets of Marxism sounds good, in implementation it has always transformed into totalitarian Communist or Progressive. There has been no exception.

 

What's your definition of Conservative?

What are you Conservative about!

 

How so?

 

Lolz, go sale utopia somewhere else, skippy.

 

If you're a leftist, you're just as much a authoritarian as King George, and the Tories who ran Britain. Stop trying to compare yourself to something you're not.

 

Ha ha ha no I was being serious but that us funny!

 

OMG another guy who does not understand that an authoritarian governments can be and historically have been both left and right wing. Go read some history and learn a few things after that come back and debate with us adults.

 

Projecting again?

 

I am not a leftist or a rightist. I am simply pointing out that free thinking liberals have always been on the forefront of positive changes. Stubborn conservatives have always had to be dragged along, kicking and screaming on every major issue. Today's phony conservatives are always backing the authority of the state over individual rights and the US Constitution. Look at what classic phony conservative Jeff Sessions is proposing regarding state's rights on Marijuana laws and enhancing the nanny state's ability to confiscate personal property of people without even charging them, much less convicting them of a crime. I am, as my screen name suggests, in favor of individual rights and limited government. The only Republican that I consider a true conservative where it counts, (preserving the Bill of Rights) is Rand Paul. Most of the rest of the GOP leadership are a bunch of whores to corporate war profiteers and fully support the police state and authoritarian government including our prison industrial complex which has turned the US from the land of the free to the land of the imprisoned. Why do you suppose that we have far more people locked up per capital than any country in the world by far? I will tell you. Phony, freedom hating. "CONservatives" have driven the anti freedom agenda for decades now, and weak limp dicked Democrats have stood idly by...

 

Franklin and Jefferson were clearly liberals. At the time of the founding of the US the political divide was between Federalists and Jeffersonians. Washington, being the only non-partisan president we ever had, selected Hamilton and Jefferson precisely because of their opposing views. The Federalists were clearly the more conservative party and the Jeffersonians the more liberal party.

The only presidents to call themselves progressives were Grover Cleveland and Teddy Roosevelt.

 

So when was it, I wonder, that jack booted thugs showed up at your door and made you do progressive things?

 

Or you are.

 

Healthcare isn't a choice. The purchase of and type of insurance available is a choice. Very high deductible with tax free, 5k max per year contribution, no expiration HSA with catastrophic coverage would be a great option for folks without kids under 30. Yet, that's not available. In fact, there are very few options in which to choose from. Also, folks should be able to completely avoid the purchase of insurance.

 

It seems it's universal.

 

You guys are using terms that have multiple meanings as if they are the same. Jefferson is the antithesis of modern progressives.

 

Omg another poster on with poor reading comprehension skills. Where did I say there were never any right wing authoritarian governments. ?Oh wait, I didn't. I compare leftist whonare authoritarian , to a Monarchy, which was authoritarian, and conservative. Learn to read above a 5th grade reading level. Now let the literate folks talk.

 

Nope, I'm well read on my history and have a good understanding of vocabulary. Lincoln and FDR centralized authority. The others didn't. Progressives increase authority and are opposite of classic liberals. I am a classic liberal and oppose progressive policy in almost uniformity.