A way to cut unwanted children, crime, and abortion at the same time

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  1. Russ103

    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's something I would actually be glad to contribute my tax dollars for,


    If you are a very low income person, under 40, on any kind of government assistance, have a drug problem, have a very long serious criminal record, ect... Just one would do, not all are required to qualify.

    The tax payers would be willing to have the Government give you a vasectomy or tubes tied along with a somewhat hefty onetime cash payment ($2,500 should be enough) You could get it reversed on your own dime though.

    Just imagine how many babies wouldn't be born into homes where the so called 'parents' would only see them as dollar $igns since we practically encourage the last people in the world who should have kids to instead make them like a factory. The abortion rate would plummet. Kids wouldn't grow up 'on the street' not knowing anything else but a life of crime and disrespect toward their elders and the police.

    Drug addicts would instantly take the cash and undergo this simple procedure along with millions of others who should never have kids.

    Yes it's an expensive investment but it's just that... an investment that would pay the country back in many many ways for decades to come unlike the ACA where a trillion (that's a T) dollars is going to be pissed away.

    Of course the only thing to stand in the way is that it would kill off any guaranteed future Democrat voters (another huge dividend)

    Good idea that would never happen, but we can pretend.
     
  2. Russ103

    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No opinions?
     
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    So all those on corporate welfare, employed by the state or receive anything like medicare/aid - they would have to be neutered as well.

    Good luck convincing those Army boys!

    idiotic post, even worse than the worst of my own, lol
     
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    The Christian right objects to government financing to pay for simple contraception, it is doubtful they would agree to pay for surgical procedures that would permit the grave sin of sexual freedom in young women without the penalty of an unwanted child.
     
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    antb0y Well-Known Member

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    I find the idea horrible, but let's roll with it.
    As a means to decrease the amount of abortions and unwanted kids, that makes some sense.
    But how is giving 2500$ to people going to stop crime? I could spend that in one afternoon, and I don't even know where you get the good drugs.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    They tried this. Google "Three generations of imbeciles are enough".
     
  7. Russ103

    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can't we agree that people that should never even think of having kids since it's such a huge responsibility are the ones who have them most?

    Think of all the fatherless kids out there whose mothers aren't exactly parental material themselves, do you think those kids are likely to grow up and become productive members of society, or are they more likely to grow up in a thug infested neighborhood and turn to a life of drugs and/or crime since that's all they ever saw growing up?

    I just said $2,500 as a tempting cash figure for someone in the above scenario. Druggies would be lining up for blocks.
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not have to. Have the option to. I did not say it would be mandatory, just an option that in my opinion would work on paper.

    And "Army boys"? The US Army is roughly 500,000 active duty troops, when you take out the officers, and NCO's along with females the number of horny 18-20 year olds is not as high as you think. Besides, at least those young men are doing every person (from a murderer behind bars to Bill Gates) within our borders a service by signing a blank check with their life if need be.

    Temp someone with a little lump sum of cash to not reproduce without wanting to. If someone did get it done and decided to have a baby they could get it reversed on their own dime, that would mean they would actually get a taste of the financial responsibility a child comes with.

    My wife and I make a much higher then average combined household income and we're still not ready for even one child after being together for 10 years. Why the hell does someone with no income of their own need to be encouraged to have kids by the Government? (I know, guaranteed Dem votes)
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you, I did not know that.
     
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    As I said, in theory it might make some sense. But the thought of mass sterilization to prevent undesirable parts of the population form procreation makes me feel uneasy, optional or not.
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pro/Con list perhaps?
     
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    antb0y Well-Known Member

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    First and foremost, I have an ethical problem with it. But I know that's not a good argument.
    So, in lieu of a pro/con list here are a couple of problems I see:

    You reward people for irresponsible behavior and eliminate any incentive to do better by just throwing cash at them.
    You also ignore the tendency of young people to think short-term. When I was 18, I thought I was going to be rich when I'm 30. 2,500 easily earned bucks and then get the operation reversed out of my pocket in a far-away vague future? Count me in. I need a criminal record to qualify? Nothing easier than that.
    What about those who do use contraception, how you do you prevent them from taking the money? Are you eligible if you already have kids?
    What about gays? That would be a field day for some people if a gay man got paid for not making a woman pregnant.

    It's an interesting what-if scenario, but there is a whole lot of problems with it.
     
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    Outstanding suggestion. It would save pain and suffering of children, and save the taxpayers Billions in the long run.
     
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    it wouldn't necessarily stop crime of the person recieving the money, but would prevent crime from kids noone raised with any morals in the future. The $$ is just enticing people that shouldn't be parents in the first place, to do volunteer for the procedure in the first place


    I like the idea. I can't tell you how many times I wish I could go back in time and buy the .25 cent condom for the POS parent who doesn't know how, or won't raise their ball-fruit

    I teach a class of poor kids that are the direct results of methed out tweeking mothers who got knocked up because they were trying to get $20 for their next hit.... I would rather pay a tweeker 2500$ and be done with it, realizing they will simply blow the money anyways, than have 4 more messed up in the head kids because their mother did drugs while they were preggers.
     
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    Everyone has the right to have children, regardless of your 'tyranny of normality' BS.

    - - - Updated - - -

    But the govt. doesn't encourage them to have kids, just leaves them to make their own choices, IOW: freedom.

    Russ: your idea is like Nazi eugenics - Heil Hitler! nonsense
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    I suggested something like this - I'd be fine with taxpayer-funded vasectomies/hysterectomies - my idea was that young people could choose either maybe $2,500 in cash, or $5,000 in college grants if they opt in.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    That's incorrect, registered sex offenders do not have the legal right to have children.



    It isn't remotely like "eugenics" since it's completely voluntary, and completely unrelated to race or genetics (ex. granting specifically to blacks could be considered promoting "eugenics" - but granting them to everyone would not be since there would be no genetic preference involved). Once you finish your GED you'll probably know your terminologies a little better, but that's wishful thinking.

    I bet you think birth control coverage under Obamacare is "promoting Eugenics too" - you might's well convert to strict Catholicism if you feel that way
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    So you believe that condoms and birth control pills are promoting "mass sterilization" - do you think that people having gay sex will "cause the entire human race to die off" - are you Catholic?
     
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    maybe in Nazi Germany perhaps, but in the free world anyone should be allowed to have children, even if they've been caught with their hand up a girl's skirt - because it's not the baby's fault.

    anyway, what if they do have kids - what you gonna do , kill the kid or something? Total fascist crap this is.
     
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    and why the F should anyone have to have a job in the first place - does a pig need a job to have a piglet? no, it does not, and what you advocate is giving pigs more rights than humans.

    total joke thread:icon_jawdrop:
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    No, maybe in the real world, sorry you don't live there - must make it hard for you to relate to most people

    Says who?

    Yeah, just like it's not the baby's fault if their parent is a convicted child molester, which is why sex offenders shouldn't be allowed to have children, I agree.

    Not sure if stoned or just trolling
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're right, everyone does have a right to have kids. Just like everyone has the right to plan their future (pursuit of happiness) and end up being a successful and productive member of society. Planning for a child is an even bigger responsibility. To think of it as anything less is just selfish.

    Unfortunately a lot of kids born to the 'mothers' I'm describing were never even given an ounce of planning before birth.
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As the very title of this thread suggest it would cut down on abortions. It's the left that's into killing babies, this is a hypothetical scenario that avoids killing babies while letting women be free to whore around without the possibility of getting pregnant.

    Think of it as allowing women to be free from "pregnancy lock" (whore around without the consequence) much like Obama's claimed "Job lock" for health insurance. The left is all for that.
     
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    You must have thoroughly misunderstood my post.
    I said none of those things.
     
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    He's just trolling - he's saying that allowing voluntary vasectomies or hysterectomies is some "Nazi eugenics conspiracy"?

    I guess he's just assuming that the OP "secretly wants to kill of blacks and hispanics" because they have higher rates of teen pregancy - well then by that logic abortion is "Nazi eugenics" since black women have higher abortion rates than whites.

    This is how some on the left think - they'll just play "Joseph McCarthy" and accuse you of being a "closet racist" even when nothing you actually said was racist.
     

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