FoxHastings said: ↑ It's life IS protected after 23 weeks gestation....That is the stage of viability... My post didn't say that....did you want to address my post? ...and the fetus has only the value placed on it by the person who has it growing inside of her and attached to her...
Well that is honest. A gestating human being is either treasured or should be viewed as trash that needs to be removed depending on it’s value to the expectant mother. Most people are not nearly so candid.
Candid and correct. BTW, your " should be viewed as trash" is incorrect, no one said a woman "should" view it like that....or "should" view it anyway but how SHE views it.
I’ve been clear that there is no conceivable reason that a woman should be denied the right to abortion in the first trimester when the human she is carrying has no sense of itself. Mistakes are made and awful things happen. And the woman has plenty of time to make her decision. I’ve known people who say she should be able to abort at will right up until the moment of birth as it is her body only that matters. Do you agree with this? I’m aware of the laws but I’m asking for your ethical standard.
I am comfortable with the law as it is because no mentally stable/normal woman waits 8 1/2 months and then decides to have an abortion. The law could be abolished since that doesn't happen. Canadian women do NOT "enjoy" over 8 months of pregnancy just to rush off for the "fun" of having an abortion... Do YOU think there is some kind of law that makes women obligated to have babies?
I have clearly expressed my unconditional support for a woman to abort in the first trimester for any reason so no she is not forced to carry. A woman I know demanded to have the right to abortion at any time before birth and she was not insane and others will too. Should they be afforded that right?
"A" woman....really....so one ALLEGEDLY sane woman ALLEGEDLY says something and it's true of every woman ??? She can 'demand it" but I doubt doctors would give her one.. However, they should have that right.....but I don't worry about it because, unlike righties, I doubt sane women will not "enjoy" over 8 months of pregnancy just to rush off for the "fun" of having an abortion...UNLIKE righties , I don't think all women are nuts and need to be controlled like cattle. Canada has no abortion laws and Canadian women don't do that.. Do YOU think there is some kind of law that makes women obligated to have babies? What do YOU think should be done with infertile women?
Here's another INCONVENIENT post to ignore What should be done with infertile women? According to your post they are worthless...
Unfortunately, we cannot NOT talk about those exceptions. It is those exceptions where the anti abortion crew lose credibility. Those exceptions are not the fault of the fetus either - but most concede that the mother should be permitted to abort that fetus in those cases. How - if you are arguing that a fetus deserves protection - can you make exceptions?
I have already answered your question about if a woman should be forced to carry a baby several times. And nothing she be done about infertile women and they are irrelevant to the issue in this thread. I didn’t ask about enjoyment. I doubt any woman enjoys the abortion process at any stage. You are avoiding my question. Yes one woman said this to me and to others it is a feminist right to abort at any point before birth. Simple enough question. Do you agree or do you not?
FoxHastings said: ↑ "A" woman....really....so one ALLEGEDLY sane woman ALLEGEDLY says something and it's true of every woman ??? She can 'demand it" but I doubt doctors would give her one.. However, they should have that right.....but I don't worry about it because, unlike righties, I doubt sane women will not "enjoy" over 8 months of pregnancy just to rush off for the "fun" of having an abortion...UNLIKE righties , I don't think all women are nuts and need to be controlled like cattle. Canada has no abortion laws and Canadian women don't do that.. Do YOU think there is some kind of law that makes women obligated to have babies? What do YOU think should be done with infertile women? So you agree women should NOT be forced to carry a baby. Good. Uh, no, they are not irrelevant to a thread that claims women are obligated to have kids. I did NOT say you asked about "enjoyment"...Where did you get that idea?? I said: "but I don't worry about it because, unlike righties, I doubt sane women will not "enjoy" over 8 months of pregnancy just to rush off for the "fun" of having an abortion...UNLIKE righties , I don't think all women are nuts and need to be controlled like cattle."" Some posters ask me why I make HUGE letters and emphasize them and bold them .....it's so those who missed them the first time can SEE them. Now answer those INCONVENIENT questions: Do YOU think there is some kind of law that makes women obligated to have babies? What do YOU think should be done with infertile women?
I’ve answered your questions. If you feel that it is a woman’s right to end her pregnancy up until the moment of birth if only she can find a doctor willing to perform the procedure then that is an opinion to which you are entitled. I disagree and there is no point in continuing this dialogue.
Good. Then do not bother with this forum if you are here only to preach Now I have a little bet going that you do not know the reasonS for Late term abortions
Again this demonstrates a lack of knowledge in relation to the reasons why late term abortions are carried out
Unless there are clear health issues, the expectant mother has plenty of time to decide to abort much earlier on.
Does that “Obligation” extend to a foetus so malformed that it is incapable of independent life? Does that “obligation” also extend to the male that made her pregnant? Is he “Obligated to support her and the child for the rest of the child’s life? Is the state obligated to care for the mother and the child post birth? What extra taxes are yo7 willing to pay to support this “obligation “
So you agree women should NOT be forced to carry a baby. Good. But you did NOT answer :Do YOU think there is some kind of law that makes women obligated to have babies? Then why did you start it...?
The overwhelming reason for late term abortion is foetal abnormality incompatible with life Overwhelming reason Now want to tell me that you would force a woman whose baby will die the minute it is born and has to tell everyone she meets that that is what willl occur - do you really really want to put any woman through that?
You are aware that there are medical tests that can detect these things very early on? I’ve had four children and these considerations and tests are well known to me.
