A woman who gets an abortion is like an Indian giver

Not enough....Maybe we aren’t willing to become a Breeding machines for you.Your ideal world would be, “the handmaids tale” you should either read it or see the film on Netflix

 

You really trivialize the word, “convenience” You act as though going through nine months of pregnancy and childbirth and being responsible for 18 years for another person and having to sacrifice your dreams it’s just a mere inconvenience. Easy for you to say because she would never be in that situation

 

There is no other reason FOR abortion but convenience.
It isn't convenient for a woman to have a kid she doesn't want....and it IS legal

 

THANK YOU for once again stating that the REAL reason Anti-Choicers are against abortion is because they feel women should be PUNISHED for having sex.

SO WHAT! That doesn't mean other women should....that's totally insane and illogical.

Your total lack of knowledge of what pregnancy entails is evident...it is hardly a matter of "discomfort"....

Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death.
  

 

You know as well as I do that abortions are formed must later.

 

A seed is not a parasite as some have suggested.

 

Call them by another name...but they ARE children in the womb.

 

I stood behind my wife who became pregnant before I was married. Don't say I have never shared that experience.

 

"sacrifice" a child in the womb" that you conceived through desire in order to not "sacrifice" your dreams.....I find distasteful

 

What!!!?? "formed must later""??

 

No, but a fetus fits the description of a parasite.

Again, if you can, use facts and not emotions when considering the word "parasite". It is a scientific word, not just an insult.

 

Ok, so don't have one......shrug.

 

Called by any name they are still fetuses.....

 

NO, you did NOT experience pregnancy, you did NOT experience anything listed in post 304 (the one you're trying to ignore.)

 

Okay so as far as language ,so the conversation can move forward.. can both sides agree to use the term human?? instead of baby child zygote fetus etc. I find the debate gets stuck here a lot

 

Yes, it does because the Anti-Choicers need emotion not facts to back up any flimsy argument they have.
That's why they use the emotional words like "child" or " baby" instead of the correct scientific word, "fetus".

Some actually think that fetuses all look like the Gerber baby...and correction is needed.
They insist "babies" are aborted to further their cause(one even admitted he NEEDS hyperbole ) when obviously no babies(nor teens, nor toddlers nor seniors) are aborted.

 

BEFORE marriage!!!! That sounds so HEDONISTIC!

 

Okay so Is that a yes on the term human being used?

 

Sure, it's a human (adjective) fetus.

It is NOT a human (noun) as in a "person"....sometimes people get those terms confused. They think calling it a human means it has rights.

 

When does a fetus become a different term (baby , person ,etc)in your understanding?

 

It's a yes by me!

 

When a fetus is born it becomes a baby, a person with rights.....that's a legal fact not just my "understanding".

 

Cadence76 said: ↑
Okay so Is that a yes on the term human being used?

Yes, and you're the one who admitted to using hyperbole to further your "argument".

 

Was your mother a breeding machine? Do you view her with contempt? How 'bout your father? Were you an accident? These are questions you might consider before you mock the family structure.

 

No my mother was hardly a breeding machine because she had children when she wanted them and she had an abortion when it would have been too much of a hardship for the family..and it almost took her life because it was illegal. You want women to breed against their will, that is not respecting a woman’s rights. I am not Mocking the family structure, and I don’t understand how you draw such a silly conclusion