ABC News can't figure out why the medics wiped the blood off Zimmerman

Depends who started the fight, sucking at a fight you started is no defense.

I'm sure this babble made sense to you. But to those of us educated in the law it's nonsense.

See, the first answer. The eyewitness didn't see how the fight started.

At losing to me? Yea, you're a champ!

 

Hmm.

Now that I think about it, even in her accounts Trayvon is the one who confronts Zimmerman, asking him "Why are you following me" after presumably turning to face him instead of going on his way.

Everybody agrees that Zimmerman had been following Trayvon, and Zimmerman had told the 911 operator as much.

 

its a right/wrong issue

lefties are wrong wrong wrong

 

And Zimmerman responds -- instead of saying "Hi, I'm the Captain of the Neighborhood Watch. Is everything okay?" -- Zimmerman responds "What are you doing here?!?!?!"

Then Martin is pushed or hit and the phone goes dead.

 

Ding ding ding

I am not saying zimmerman is innocent. What i am arguing is the fact that "innocent until proven guilty" is the law of the land, still.

None of us know what appened that night so lets not judge. There is a dead young man here and a man who claims mortal peril. Ive been in fights where i felt seriously endngered and have wlked awy with minimal visible wounds but felt majorily affected and i wasnt.

I have also been in the ER and have seen men who have been in accidents or been jumped and look like theyve been to the morgue and back and were criticaly fine. Finally ive seen people who have had broken noses with NO BLEEDING and head wounds that look like rug burns but underneath there has been massive hemmoraging.

Stop presuming guilt. Presume innocence and let those who have the burden of proof, prove otherwise.

 

Isn't it too bad that Trayvon was not given that opportunity to prove that he was "innocent until proven guilty," but was executed on the spot because he "looked suspicious" to a paranoid wannabe security guard.

And isn't it too bad that, even after that immediate "death sentence and execution" there are still people who try their best to build a case against Trayvon and demonize him?

 

It's tragic that he was killed, whether murdered or justifiable self-defense. Trayvon made some bad decisions, and may have decided this was an easy guy to attack and beat up. Or Zimmerman may have picked the fight.

But we have no evidence any executed anyone. And yes it is sad, we can't hear Trayvon's side. BUt that doesn't give us the right to make stuff up either.

 

And how does a man who is being "pinned down" and "beaten" reach BEHIND, between the ground and his own body. . . pinned down by another body. ..and manage to get the gun out of a holster and shoot the person who is pinning him down IN THE CHEST. . .but doesn't get any blood on himself?

 

Are liberals not allowed to know anything about modern medical treatments? Like Dermabond?

And the video was taken in the police station and he was interviewed by police at the scene. The video was taken 4 hours after the shooting. I'm going to GUESS that police were with him and talking to him every minute of those 4 hours unless they all went for coffee and doughnuts. He claimed a split lip, a broken nose and cuts on his head. Do you think the police were too squeamish to look? BASIC police work, look for discrepancies between the story and the physical evidence. TV watching would teach you that unless you were intent not to learn. So the cops KNOW how he looked and what he said. Someday we all may know. but we don't know now.

 

As opposed to the killer's testimony?

You're really making this too easy.

 

It seems it gives the right to Robert Zimmerman, the former judge, the father of the shooter, to make up "stories" and to accuse Trayvoon's girl friend of lying about being on the phone with Trayvon at that time. . .although the phone records show she was!

And how does that give permission to people like James Cessna to repeatedly make statement that are CLEARLY false about the "John" witness having witnessed Trayvon being the aggressor?

Did you hear the testimony of the NEW eye witness who came out tonight?

You may have to listen to that one. . .

 

You are obviously excluded from your statement about being educated in law.

By your initial assertion (previous post), under "common law" (haha at that) if i jump you and you kick my ass to the point of me having to be on defense( ie: on the ground with you on top of me hitting as the eyewitness stated was the case here) you should get up and immediately walk away. That didnt happen here trayvon beat zimmerman until trayvon got shot.

The only thing you beat me at was proving my point better. Kudos.

Btw i still win

 

Save it for the tabloids. Good grief, the things people believe.

You're letting your emotions get the best of you.

 

Another eyewitness to this coldblooded execution. Did you give your statement to the police yet?

Have you stopped to consider that Trayvon was ATTACKING Zimmerman? Naaahhhhh that couldnt be possible..... Oh wait there is an eyewitness stating that Trayvon was... Guess what... ATTACKING mr. Zimmerman

 

You really need to keep up with the news if you want to discuss intelligently, Dan!

The video was actually taken at 7:57 pm. . . 40 minutes after Trayvon's phone went dead. .LESS then 40 minutes after Trayvon was shot. And it takes 10 minutes to go from the shooting site to the police station. . .which mean Zimmerman was put in the police car at the shooting scene about 20 to 25 minutes after he shot Trayvon.

Now. . .I do know about Dermabond, having had a car accident in July 2011 and having sustained a gash to my hairline. . .after breaking a car window with my forehead. . .I was treated by EMT. . .it took about 35 minutes before the ambulance took me to the emergency room. . .and although my gash had been cleaned up somewhat (and 3 sticky staples placed on it to keep the wound from opening), it was only in the hospital that they completed the cleaning of the gash (removed some chips of glass and sterelized the wound) before sawing me up dermabond on the cut so it would heal better.

And, without the public outcry, this case would have been swept under the rug, and the "discrepancies" in the reports and the reality of the videos and other witness account would have NEVER surfaced.

By the way, did you know that the investigative detective on the site of the shooting recommended that Zimmerman be arrested. . .and the police chief called Norman Wolfingers who DROVE 50 MILES from his location to the police station and OVERRULLED the recommendation of the investigators. Interesting, no?

Do you think that, maybe, in the name of "full investigation and transparency" there should be an inquiry into a potential relationship between the former judge and the sitting state attorney? Like, maybe in the last 7 years, when George Zimmerman's 3 prior charges were mysteriously "lifted?"

 

Not under Florida's Stand Your Ground law. You pursued me and you attacked me. Under the law I have no duty to retreat and you as the attacker don't get the protection of Self-Defense.

What happened? Did you forget the law?

Another noob pwned.

 

Or martin did the pushing or hitting...

But we should just follow your interpretation, right?

 

That's not her entire testimony. I didn't include it all cause I like to toy with people first.

See if they really know what they are talking about.

 

Pure speculation but no shocker you are still peddling in unknown facts.

Do us all a favor and stop pretending you are a mind reader. We have no idea what started the fight or who started it.

Your pathetic attempts to pretend to know are beyond childish.

 

I think there is plenty of false information in the tabloids and in your dear Fox News.

What we need now is the truth. . and we're getting there little by little.

So.. .what is for the "tabloids?" The fact that the police video released last night (and the one tonight) was NOT taken FOUR HOURS after the shooting, as first reported by Fox News, but LESS THAN FORTY MINUTES after the shooting.

You want to provide a link that contradicts this fact?

 

So. . .you admit that YOU do not know either (and your friend Cessna doesn't know either) who started the fight?

That's a step forward! Thank you!

 

Nice homo-erotic pic... Not interested though. So your iterpretation of the law is...

I jump you, you beat me and now you have the right to do with me as you please?

You are no attorney or judge nor do you even read the disclaimers in the sunday circulars with any comprehension.

I do win and you do lose, every time. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

I never said I did. I was quoting the Special Prosecutor's first witness to the Grand Jury.

Sucks for you that you have no say in it.

 

OH. . .because now you have a proof that TRAYVON WAS ATTACKING ZIMMERMAN? The eye witness YOU are referring to didn't say he saw who STARTED the struggle. . .just that they were both on the ground fighting, then he went away, heard a shot, and when he looked again, the kid was dead, face down in the grass, AWAY from the shooter.

You had better listen to the last witness that came forward. . . He saw a little more, in fact, he saw the exact moment of the shooting, and still we don't know for sure who was on top and who was on the bottom. . .but we know that the fight was NOT happening near the concrete path, but in a grassy area.

Actually, NO ONE Knows at this time who was the first to push or shove or hit. . .but we know who went after the other, and we know who had a gun, and we know who got shot.

We also know who lied about the "injuries" he had sustained.

So. . .why don't you relax. .keep track of the "new development" if you wish. .. but make sure you don't listen ONLY to tabloids or Fox News (the biggest of the "tabloids on TV!"

Or. . .stop debating until the grand jury meets and comes to a conclusion based on FACTS.

 

Again she wasnt there and she is giving witness based on her guesses. She is biased and her ENTIRE testimony is compromised. Anyone with any legal fiber would recognize that and every judge that has no agenda other than truth would scrap her testimony.