Abortion: The Facts

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    You have never proven abortion is the murder of a child.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Yes I have and on many, many occasions. The taking of an innocent life is
    murder. Killing someone for gain or personal reasons is murder.

    The child should have a trial by jury, with all the appeals, to see
    whether or not s/he did anything deserving of being put to death.
     
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    However, this is not how most abortions are performed...
     
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    Consenting to have sex with one person does not imply consent to a second person entering your body. If they intended to a conceive a child, then that is a different story.
     
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    No, you have not proven abortion is murder....saying it repeatedly does not make it murder.

    You don't even know that there's no child involved in an abortion....
     
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    Yes it does. The person they created should have every right anyone
    else has including life.
     
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    Then we shouldn't bury dead people...just another stage of life. One is pre life the other post life. Neither is a viable person.

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    Zygotes don't have rights
     
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    Yes, there are consequences and only for the woman and one is having an unwanted child for 18 years or a painful abortion, it's her choice, not yours. And your silliness in repeating putting a zygote to death is murder is inane at most. Let me guess, you don't have a uterus.

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    Anyone who considers a zygote a child is silly and yes a misogynist. Should a girl be able to get an abortion if she is pregnant by rape or incest ?

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    Calling an embryo a child is dishonest. Do you have any embryos living at home? My embryo is in college these embryos are costly.
     
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    I agree,,,,.when it is a person . A zygote isn't a person and you can insist it is all you want....but it isn't a child, you are merely personifying a zygote.
     
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    Incorrect. The baby is alive therefore viable. The dead person isn't
    and is no longer developing.
    Which is unfortunate since it's a alive, viable, and in a stage of
    human development as is a toddler or a teenager.
     
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    Nobody should have the right to murder an innocent child for something it
    had no say. Saving that baby's life should be of utmost importance.

    No, a zygote is just as much a human. It's simply in a different stage of life.

    What did the baby do? Nothing.

    No it's not. An embryo is simply in a different stage of development and
    it's far more honest to call it a child.

    Do you regret not putting your embryo to death?
     
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    If I had an abortion I wouldn't miss her because she would have never been developed. Perhaps if I had sex the day before I might have had a son ..do I miss him? Of course not. You don't miss someone who was never developed.

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    A zygote is not alive.......you can say that all you want as you sit under an acorn and say it is a tree.
     
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    No matter how many times you post it's murder, it still isn't and you have never proven it is.

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    Repeating that abortion is murder doesn't make it murder and you have never proven it is.

    Like repetition???
     
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    Is the zygote dead? Is an acorn dead?
     
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    Sure I have and no matter how many times you refuse to accept the facts
    doesn't mean it isn't murder.
    No, but providing evidence, which I have, does make it murder.
    You've yet to provide evidence that it isn't murder. I've shown you that it
    is. You're repeating but not providing any evidence in your favor.
     
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    WHERE have you shown it's murder?


    You'll have to be more precise especially if you want to convince the Supreme Court.....and you won't by simply repeating "It's murder".
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The Inalienable Rights of the Person, including the Right to Life, cannot be dependent upon another person nor impose an involuntary obligation upon another person but that doesn't even matter. No matter what anyone does the pre-viable fetus, embryo, or zygote is going to die once it's removed from the woman's body. All of the "attention" in the world will not prevent the natural death.

    As I have noted the zygote, embryo, and pre-viable fetus doesn't have a "Right" to occupy the woman's body and it can be surgically removed without harm and intact from the woman's body. If those conditions were imposed then the woman has not contributed in any manner to the death of the zygote, embryo, or pre-viable fetus that will later die of natural causes. We don't require that the zygote, embryo, or pre-viable fetus be removed unharmed and intact because that increases the dangers to the woman unnecessarily because they will all die of natural causes but we could if we wanted to under the law.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    That is true because it increases the risks to the woman for no purpose as the zygote, embryo, or pre-viable fetus is going the die a natural death anyway. We could impose that condition under the law but since it serves no purpose we don't. We're a bit more rational than that.
     
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    Using terms like baby is not accurate when discussion viability. The term viability is used to mean when the fetus is out of woman's uterus and con exist on it's own...either unassisted or assisted. A fetus of six weeks has almost no viability outside the womb even if assisted.

    Viability does not mean able to come to term.
     
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    Taking a life for personal gain or desire, which is what abortion is, is murder.
    To barbarically slaughter innocent life, which is what abortion is, is murder.
    Selfishly killing someone who has done nothing deserving being put to death,
    which is what abortion is, is murder.

    I've listed this several times.
     
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    Take it to the Supreme Court ...see what happens....get back to me.....;)
     
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    Sex is an involuntary act?
    Then it shouldn't be removed from the mother who invited the child by
    having sex. The baby should be allowed to live. Problem solved.

    It murders a baby. A zygote, embryo or whatever you want to call it is a
    stage of human development just as a toddler or a teenager is a stage in
    human development. We can't murder them on a whim and it should be the
    same for other stages of human development.
     
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    OK, you don't want the facts so just say abortion is changed legally to murrrrrrder.....

    How do you determine if "MURRRRRRDER" has been committed ?

    How do you "suspect" a woman of this "MURRRRRRDER" ?
     
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    Calling it a baby if perfectly fine. The scientific terms are nothing more than
    descriptions of the stages of human development. It's human from the
    first stage.
    Then it shouldn't be removed.

    Viability means capable of living which it's doing in the womb.
     
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    There are records at the abortion mill. Actually the abortionist murders
    the child while the mother and others involved are accessories to
    the crime.

    You're becoming very emotional. Is it because you can't successfully
    defend your position? That happens to many people who ignore facts
    when discussing issues.
     
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