Abortions by race - racism, or affirmative action?

Here's a hint for you. If the claim in your OP isn't true then the rest of this thread is pointless.

 

Incorrect.

Maybe I'll need to start a separate thread explaining the logic of hypotheticals to people like you.

 

Now, if you want to ask what principles in this hypothetical also apply to real life issues in the abortion debate, we can discuss that.

For example, a common argument used by pro-abortion supporters is that there are "too many unwanted children".
But, when we actually look closer into the details of the statistics, we see that whether those babies are actually unwanted has more to do with racial factors.
That means that the pro-choice argument that there are "too many unwanted children" ultimately boils down to something that could arguably be described as a racial (or racist) argument.

 

Your hypothetical (as do most hypotheticals) leave all sorts of questions unanswered. For example, you have no idea how Planned Parenthood would respond.

What you are trying is to try to use your bigotry. But, we have people giving money to pay for Trump's efforts to get away with criminal activity. There are disgusting things going on all over.

The bottom line you can not handle is that humans have bodily autonomy. And, efforts by YOU to deny that are just not acceptable.

 

Is that seriously your argument in this thread? You seem to be saying "Never mind the issue of abortion. However you feel about abortion, don't vote for Trump!"

Let me pose this question to you:
Where does the right to bodily autonomy originate from?
I mean if we think about it. What other (more fundamental) rights is the "right to bodily autonomy" an inevitable result of?

Does, for example, a baby have the right to "bodily autonomy" when it can neither exercise nor communicate those rights?
Does it require us to presuppose what rights those are, in order to protect the interests of the child? (Not just children but grown adults in several different types of situations)

 

[QUOTE="kazenatsu, post: 1074562978, member: 74540"[...]
Let me pose this question to you:
Where does the right to bodily autonomy originate from?
I mean if we think about it. What other (more fundamental) rights is the "right to bodily autonomy" an inevitable result of?[/QUOTE]
Our founding documents state that as humans we have inalienable rights.

How could that POSSIBLY be true if we don't even have bodily autonomy???

 

And by "we", that presumably does not include those inside a womb?

 

Our founding documents apply to persons. Some are limited to citizens.

 

For that we'd have to go over exactly which legal rights are accorded to persons, and which are accorded to citizens. And then discuss whether a fetus can and should be considered a "person" or a "citizen" falling under this Constitutional legal wording.
Which sounds like the topic of another thread.

(You're welcome to create such a thread and leave the link here)

 

At what point? I mean you could declare a foetus a citizen but the conceptus only becomes a foetus at week 12 before that it is classified as an embryo. Going further back do we declare embryos citizens? Do we declare blastocysts post implantation citizens? Blastocysts pre implantation? Fertilised eggs?

 

Yeah and we still think it is not true

 

Nope it doesn’t

 

Nice catch.

 

I already addressed his post (in my post #18 ).

For him to try to use that as a "got you" to worm his way out of being cornered, he would have to believe that the resultant fruits from both racism and affirmative action are really neither intrinsically good or bad. And then it would naturally follow that if the results have no special particular affiliation towards being good and bad, then it's really hard to argue the intention behind those results is good or bad either.

 

He hadn't made an argument, so you didn't have him "cornered". He was merely noting that both affirmative action and racism are about intention and not effect. That doesn't go to if the effect is good or bad. I agree both are bad, and would in fact call most affirmative action having to do with race a form of racism.