About time Christians come out of the closet

My apologies. I have deleted the post as erroneous.

 

The inclusion of all Christians based on what a few might do is right how exactly?

Isn't it wrong to taint all of one race, religion, sect or nationality with one brush? Isn't that a form of racism? Or at least bigotry?

I assure you that not all Christians would deny homosexuals or other religions their right to freedom of speech the same way pro choicers deny right-to-lifers the right so say their piece.

 

What did we see in this video?

The rather cheesy and exploitative advert, that appeared to be created and funded, by some people that still believe in the supernatural?

What 'goodness of homosexuality', let me try to explain something;

Homosexuality is neither good nor, nor is it bad.

Such false dichotomies cannot be of use, when looking at homosexuality.

It is simply a natural fact that some people are more inclined toward their own gender, than the opposite gender.

This has been the case since the first homo sapiens walked the earth, and the reason I suggest that, is that as far back as records go, you will see it existed, besides, we are a primate, and lots of primates are known for sexual behaviour to the same gender, often even when the opposite sex has been available.

Btw - this 'teaching of love and understanding', does that stretch to those that are homosexual?

Or it is love and understanding to some people, that this particular religion decide on?

 

They mix up the right to free speech, with the right to use it to tell others what their thoughts should really be, who they should sleep with, and how they should live their life.

Basically - they are control freaks.

 

No, actually, the last thing we need in skruls(sic), is creationist BS being taught alongside hard science, or any influence at all from any religous sect, be that Christians, Muslims, or Raelians.

You go on believing in a god, or a magic elf if you choose.

Just keep it out of school, and the legal system.

 

That commercial was much better than the beer commercials....JMO

 

It's been done.

And they didn't like it.

Just like you said.


http://richarddawkins.net/videos/3494-atheists-launch-bus-ad-campaign

 

So you basically don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about any morals, values or ethics...is that correct?

I beg to differ with you...most NORMAL people do care about those things. They care about family values, American's mostly love America and support her and nearly 80% of Americans are Christian.

 

Hypochristianity.

Most don't even know what is in the bible that they batter on about.

Take the member 'Protectionist'.

He doesn't seem like a bad guy, certainly not the worse, and yet despite claiming that he is a Christian, he did not recognise something from his own bible, indeed, he outright REFUSED to accept that it existed, even though it clearly does.

What was it?

Well, I was making the point that if a New Age religous leader were to tell followers that they had to hate their family, in order to follow him, that the public would see him as a dangerous cult leader.

And yet...

Luke 14:26

'If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.'
http://bible.cc/luke/14-26.htm

 

Love the ad... also love the 'Come back to the Catholic Church' ads.

But nothing's better than watching the God-haters squirm. They do hate that freedom of religion thing don't they?

 

It's an oxymoron to 'hate' something that doesn't exist.

I do not hate gods, angels, fairies, demons, or goblins, since none can have done harm enough to be hated, given that they do not exist.

Nor would I revere or fear them, for the same reason, there is no evidence for their existance.

I think people should be free to indulge in whatever fantasy world, and delusion that they desire, though.

I would just ask they sort of keep it out of the classroom, and try not to indoctrinate little kids with it.

 

Excuse me, but WHERE on earth did you get THAT, from what SnakeStretcher wrote?

Are you seeing things on the screen that do not exist?

 

As long as it's not religion though, we can indoctrinate them will a bunch of other crap, right?

 

I know, darlin. Like I said... watching the glee with which you atheists jump out of the shadows at the mention of Christianity is really something to see. No evangelical preacher in America can hold a candle to the passion of an atheist. Well done.

 

That's a lot of hard praying Christians.

So why is America in the crapper then?

Is it this 20% who are doing all the murders, raping, drug dealing, human trafficking, theft, etc, etc?

 

You know the old saying...One bad apple...

 

I don't tell anyone how to live their life.

Religionists try to, even though their own life is often crap.

I tend not to suggest one thing, then go off and do the other.

Religionists do this all the time, the famous gay hater, Ted Haggart, turned out to be no more than a crack taking homosexual.

I do not propose to have all of the answers to life's questions.

Religionists think the Earth is about 6000 yrs old, and that the Sun revolves around the Earth, as stated in the Babble.

Like I said, people are free to deluded themselves with ideas of ghosts, aliens, gods, angels, fairies, pixies and gnomes, but they are little more than an amusing aside to life.

 

Yeah, but how do you apply that to the fact, and this is not my view, but the view of Americans that I know, that America, socially, economically, and in other ways, is in the crapper?

After all, surely if the Christian way is the 'right way', and your claim that 80% of Americans are Christian, then what you should really have by now is some sort of perfect world...but you don't.

If you are suggesting that a tiny minority can destroy that which is god protected if you will, then that doesn't say a lot for how powerful that protection is, does it?

 

No, there you go again, reading words that are not there, making wrong conclusions.

I would be as opposed to giving equal credence and teaching, in a history class, that the holocaust didn't happen, to it being actual supported fact, at least to a large degree. By the same token, I would reject 'intelligent design' being taught, alongside evolution, in science class - like the previous example, it would be simply false to teach the two as having equal merit, since one has evidence, observation, and proof by the bucket, while the other...well..um..oh look, there is a flower and there is a bee on it - that must be intelligently designed.

 

Christianity is about God seeking us out, calling us back home, so to speak. In this life, we are separated from Him, so there will be suffering. However, if we use this gift of life to answer his call, He will deliver us into an eternity of peace. He has given us a choice, but some of us choose to reject Him.

 

Here endeth the lesson. Christianity is, and always has been, about fear, reprisal, (being 'god-fearing'), hellfire and (*)(*)(*)(*)ation alternatives to 'heaven' if you dare not worship the non-existent and mythical being, control and, nowadays, outright theft and fraud from your friendly televangelist-who will show you the way to heaven for a mere $20...

What I choose to reject are fanciful fantasies with no more pretense to reality than the latest Harry Potter movie. Still, each to his own delusion, as Mr. Napier said above.

 

I know this story. It has to be true because there are books and movies about it. It is a story about a man born of a virgin. It was Prohpesized that he was "The Chosen One" who was destined to bring about balance in The Force.

 

Are you?

I was led to believe that for Christians, and whoever else, god was always around?

And what about when you pray, surely then you are connected to god, are you not, otherwise you are merely speaking to yourself.

Why would god create a species that could think, encourage us to think for ourselves, make the bible so full of error and contradiction, then punish us for thinking, if we happen to have used the mind we were encouraged to use, to come to the conclusion that there is perhaps no god?

You would have to be pretty sadistic and twisted, to do that, imo.

Moreover, what else but the most sick and sadistic of minds would create a place (hell), where otherwise good and intelligent people would be tortured for all eternity, or so called 'sinners', tortured for all eternity.

What is the use? How can doing that, over and over, for all eternity, be moral, right, ethical, or be of any real value?

It is disgusting, but then the god of the OT was a disgusting, egocentric, jealous, genocidal god.

 

And yet there are still those poor, deluded souls who believe this stuff...that the universe was 'created' 6000 years ago, in 6 days.

 

The sad thing is...they think science is a lie.