ABRAHAMIC GOD of the BIBLE, is the Creator

Rubish. "...the universe seems unreasonably suited for life"? Really.

How many of the planets that orbit any sun are conducive to life? 1%? .5%? I've seen estimates around .000000000001 % and that might be high.

 

How can your prove the God of the Bible is the creator without first proving the Bible is verifiably accurate?

And, "The Bible is accurate because the Bible says it's accurate because it's the Bible and the Bible is accurate because the Bible says the Bible is accurate" - isn't
really evidence other than that you are very emotionally invested in the Bible.

 

Why do you say that? Explain.

 

You have it backwards we adapted and tuned to fit the laws of our Universe its not the other way around we are special in only we are intelligent, survived over other species to our blue ball with our sun. We could have never have existed and the Universe would have gone on without us just fine or a black hole could suck us up and we would be gone.

It is an orderly Universe we live in but under natural laws it could also have ceased to even start or evolved using silicon based life as the norm and not life as we see it.

 

The Bible is accurate.

You just have to know though how to read it properly, in its proper context.....and know what subject a paragraph or a chapter is all about.
You'll just have to study to find out which are to be taken literally, and which are figures of speech.
You also need to understand about the culture of the time, the events of the time it was written....thus it's imperative to do a Bible Study
(with footnotes to explain).

 

You're giving a knee-jerk response. I can't entertain that for a rebuttal.

I'll get back to you when you've got something worth responding to.

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Nothing backward about it. Read my post again, especially this part:

There won't be any "us" to survive - intelligent or not - if there's no universe to begin with.

 

So it says what it says because you can make it fit what you want it to say ... I would call that to be blunt at least very questionable thinking.

But lets keep this simple is there any evidence we could give you to disprove the Bible and your faith, and what would that be, this is simple if its yes and you give areas of evidence we can then debate this. If not then why are you here you clearly won't be reasonable.

 

Why don't you try refuting the evidence(s) being given?

 

3. CAUSALITY aka THE LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT



The Law of Cause and Effect is the most certain and universal of all scientific principles. Its universal acceptance in the world of experimental science,
as well as in ordinary experience, cannot be denied.

In ordinary experience, we know intuitively that nothing happens in isolation. We can trace every event to one or more events that preceded it,
and we know what caused it.

How did this happen? What caused it?
When we try to trace the event further to its cause.....we find that it seems to go on and on and on. We never seem to reach a stopping point.



Children are wonderful at using the law of cause and effect. Like the child asking, "mommy, where do apples come from?" And mommy answers, "from the apple tree." Then the child asks, " where do apple trees come from?" etc., You see the cycle. But really, the child (in his own way) must be wondering and wanting to know where the first apple tree got there. So clearly....the cause of the event had a prior cause.

A scientific experiment specifically tries to relate effects to causes. If possible, they do it in the form of quantitative equations.
If the scientist repeats the same experiment with exactly the same factors, then exactly the same results will be reproduced.



The rational person will admit that the universe exists, and is real. We wouldn't be talking right now, or posting replies to forums if it doesn't exists.
So the question arises: how did the universe get here?

One thing is definite: The universe did not create itself. We know this for a scientific fact, because matter cannot create matter.

Another thing is also definite: The universe did not come from nothing. Because, nothing produces nothing.




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The Bible screams about the Cause. The very first verse of the very first chapter of the very first Book, gives the cause:

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.”

 

If you're claiming words on paper are evidence the Abraham's God created the world, perhaps we should take notice of the Pyramid Texts which tell the story of creation, and which are nearly 2000 years earlier.

 

Did then God create itself or is He the product of a "Big Bang" of God?
Was there another God that created God? Does God have a mother?
Is there a "bigger GOD" who created a universe in which this God resides?

Did the real GOD create the illusion of God in the minds of men to hide HIS real purpose?

Did God create the universe, but only create men to feed the worms so he could go fishing?

You can't just postulate that "nothing comes from nothing," and then pull a god from one's arse ...

 

One of the evidences I'm giving is that the Creator has intimate knowledge of His creation.



The Bible had stated in its first sentence of the first chapter of its first book:

1) the universe had a beginning (and it does have a beginning)
2) God created the universe (and science agree that there are numerous evidences that point to creation).

Review the OP.

 

Based on the introductory statement of the Book of Genesis:

The Bible had stated in its first sentence of the first chapter of its first book:

1) the universe had a beginning (and it does have a beginning)
2) God created the universe (and science agree that there are numerous evidences that point to creation).



.....the God of Abraham is the Creator.


No other god qualifies.

 

"ABRAHAMIC GOD of the BIBLE, is the Creator"

so the Jews, Christians, Muslims and Mormons got it right?

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if everything has to have a creator, then so must your God.... My God created your God.....

 

Well you obviously haven't. Where's your evidence for Abraham?

 

Correlation does not imply causation. What science has is theories that have yet to be proven true. Those who draw conclusions do so based upon incomplete evidence. A competing theory says that the universe was a product of energy changing forums thus something did not spawn from a previous nothing.

 

Another word to get use to is confirmation bias.

 

Stories tend to change over the years thus making them unsuitable to base facts in. Have 10 people form a circle and whisper into the ear if one "The fox is in the hen house" and have that person whisper what they heard into the ear if the next person, so on and so forth and what the last person says they heard will likely not be what was initaly said. Things get lost in translation over time and or the truth gets stretched. This is why I embrace science over religion and allow the science to lead me to a conclusion rather than useing science to validate a religion.

 

seems if God doesn't need a creator, then why would energy need a creator, energy seems like it would be less complex

and energy is ever changing.... energy can become matter and visa versa

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Saying so does not make it so.

You speak with such conviction yet you are not seen as an authority on the subject. Who gets to decide the above for all and by what authority? The more you write the more I see confirmation bias in your words.

 

God said: “Let us make man in our image'

but when your God did this, sounds like there was more then one God around...... if one believes the bible....

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Word of mouth is less reliable that written word because we cannot tell what has changed. Additionally, not knowing the author makes the book less of a trustworthy source. What if the devil wrote it?

 

So make a prediction about the near future based on your knowledge of the bible.

 

You haven't proved the creator exists yet, let alone his intimate knowledge of the Universe. Like the Pyramid Texts you only have words on paper.