Again, economist calls Naziism socialist

(Lately I’m having trouble with the quoting function of this software.)

Yes @Kyklos , but notice the wording. Words are important so let’s not breeze over them. It says “..that advocate for the socialist mode of production”, and what is that mode? It is collective, democratic control of production that bans private ownership for private profit. People get stuck on “collection of ideologies” and ignore the rest.

But I see no substitution in that for a Marxian notion of the socialist (“lower communist”) mode of production. Instead I see intellectualism on peripheral issues.

I’ll have to check that later.

 

decades ago a man named Griffith wrote a book about the fed reserve "creature from jekyl island" this man also pushed much material explaining "collectivism" and equating socialism and nazism as both colectives and the same...this simple notion and this mans ideas have inundated RW media sites ever since
during ww1 the german military ran germany not the kaiser, sociaists, comunists and nationalist fought each other in the streets, the use of the word socialist was a recruiting tool, in any rate ernst roehm ran the SA the workers side of nazism, once adolf was elected in 1932 he made deals with the prussian military and the junkers class to disband roehms SA which was done in 1934 in the night of the long knives, several hundred socialist leaning nazis were murdered and the socialist nazis were no more

 

I don't think so. They're foremost racists.

 

Nobody? You generalize that I suppose? But I doubt you are correct. Much of Fascist ideology is derived in fact from left wing (Like socialism) as much as it is from Nationalism. And the only people I need to agree with me are the original Nazis themselves.

"Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!"
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm -Joseph Goebbels 1932

 

you have to be carefull when quoting nazis, in speeches "capitalism" was derided, but nazis relied on centurys old practice of calling capitalists and bankers primarily JEWISH

 

And the Nazis also claimed to be Christian Nationalists. And the dictator (and close friend of Loser Trump) Kim Jong-un, names his open air prison of a country the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK)" which I guess it is "democratic," Right? I mean, Kim said it is democratic.

And what version of Marxist/Socialism are you talking about? I mean, can you narrow it down a bit to demonstrate some genuine knowledge of the subject matter? Gramsci, or Lukacs, or Lenin, or Della Volpe, or Colletti, or Althusser, or Trotsky, or Mao, or Engels, or Sartre, or Henri de Saint-Simon, or Marcuse, or Tillich, or Charles Fourier, or Étienne Cabet, or Robert Owen?

 

The brand of socialism is irrelevant as to which branch of socialism did the Germans get there ideas? Most likely Italian socialism and Italian fascism from the likes of Giovanni gentile and such characters. Frankfurt school and such. But that’s really kind of irrelevant because whatever sort of socialism spawned the Nazi party’s genesis it was certainly not a right wing beginning.

They type of socialism is pretty irrelevant to the fact that the genesis of the Nazi party was founded in a left wing ideology? In typically liberal fashion it’s the moral virtue signaling of “my socialism is the correct and purest version of socialism”. The same tired play that all the above you listed all lay claim too.

 

True but in this particular case, Goebbles does not mention the Jews until paragraph 4. In paragraph 3, entitled “why we are socialist”. He list out the “virtues” of their version of socialism. Yes he derides marxism as not embracing their interpretation of socialism. But that’s like saying centrist democrats don’t embrace woke ideology. There both on the left even if their view of the correct liberal message is at odds.

 

Not that I don't just absolutely LOVE psychobabble, and econo-babble is a close second, but its a lot simpler than that.

SOCIALISM takes from achievers and gives to lazy bums.

Its that simple.

 

the website list it as a 1928 pamplet, hitler made a deal with the prussian military elite against ernst roehm who actually led the brown shirt SA who had aspirations to "take over" the military's role, this along with hitlers alegiance to the monied junker class led to the eventual 1934 "night of the long knives" led to the dissolution of any remaining aspirations for any hold-out socialistic members, unions were outlawed as well

 

The fact you included Giovanni Gentile with the Frankfurt School shows that "sort of socialism" is very relevant. In fact, Marcuse's criticism of Gentile was that Mussolini is neither Marxist, nor Hegelian. Gentile was a conservative brand of fascism. Churchill was a big fan of Mussolini and exchanged letters of admiration with the dictator. German fascism was revolutionary romanticism of Blood and Soil cults. Marcuse was a key member of the Frankfurt School of Social Research. Excuse me while I cite my source:

"Action sets its own aims and norms that may not be judged by any objective ends and principles. 'The Foundations of Fascism' published by Gentile, announce the abolition of all 'programs' to be the very philosophy of Fascism. Fascism is bound by no principles; 'change of course' to keep step with the changing constellations of power, is its sole unchanging program. No decision is valid for the future; 'the true decisions of the Duce are those which are simultaneously formulated and executed ("Reason and Revolution," (1941) by Marcuse p. 409) (pdf.).

"The type of socialism is pretty irrelevant to the fact that the genesis of the Nazi party was founded in a left wing ideology?"
The Nazi party initially emerged out of the German Churches as a new brand of Christianity called, "Positive," or "Muscular" Christianity. You write that the "type of socialism is pretty irrelevant," and yet you state that Nazi was founded on..."left wing ideology," which you think is relevant.

Beside that contradiction, you are factually wrong about Nazism coming out of left wing. German Nazism was inspired by....the famous socialist "Henry Ford." In fact, the Nazi gave him a medal for his antisemitic publication in his hometown newspaper that he owned:

"Ford later bound the articles into four volumes entitled "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem," which was translated into multiple languages and distributed widely across the US and Europe.[76][77] The International Jew blamed nearly all the troubles it saw in American society on Jews.[75] The Independent ran for eight years, from 1920 until 1927. With around 700,000 readers of his newspaper, Ford emerged as a "spokesman for right-wing extremism and religious prejudice."[78] (Henry Ford; wiki).

Even after Ford viewed film of the Holocaust victims after WWII, he still did not return the Nazi medals. Got to keep an eye on those commies.

The "socialist" Henry Ford with Nazi officials receiving a medal​

See the other commies here:
"Nearly all of Hitler's beliefs placed him on the far right.

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Technically,.... I have been promoting Social Credit Economic Theory since 2004.........


www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.com/

If Social Credit Economic Theory was combined with Libertarianism..... it is a whole different can of worms than what Hitler or the People's Party of China have been doing.......

 

Check out this article.

PART 10: Nazism and the German economic miracle
http://www.henryckliu.com/page105.html

 

You mean like big Pharma making billions of dollars for a drug that government forced people to take?

Maybe you mean like social media sites that democrats used as a proxy to violate the Bill of Rights.

Perhaps you mean the FTX slush fund democrats used to bilk people out of their savings in order to get political "donations".

That kind of merger between the state and corporate power?

 

Why? What relevance does it have to the OP?

 

Ask an economics professor what socialism is and he'll tell you about social classes, control of production, and lots of other gobbldeygook. Ask a hard working TAXPAYER that carries the burden of PAYING for socialism on his sweaty back... and he'll tell you how easily defined socialism really is: Socialism rips off achievers to give free stuff to lazy, irresponsible bums.

 

That's a flaw in socialism but it can be addressed if the government is willing to address it. That's still not nearly as bad as the biggest flaw in capitalism – planned obsolescence. Planned obsolescence is killing the planet.

The Light Bulb Conspiracy [Extended Version]

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...onspiracy+Planned+Obsolescence%22&FORM=HDRSC4

 

I'm not sure what light levels have to do with government sticking its hand in my wallet pocket to make me pay for irresponsible bums unwilling to pay their own way.

 

Nothing directly; I'm just comparing the two systems. Each has it's advantages and flaws. I think that saving the planet takes priority in this current situation.

 

My planet is safe, clean, clear and doing great. No one and nothing is threatening our planet here and most of us are gun owners in case a real threat like Martians actually does show up.

 

Apart from stating the most obvious thing in politics, can you explain what the planet's current "situation" is? Are you talking about politics, specifically Naziism or do you mean climate change? How do you think your comparison between the two systems will save it?

 

I took a quick look spot checking this article--it is standard economic history post WWII Germany, and I didn't see any blatantly incorrect historical facts, but I didn't pick up the author's full interpretation of these facts. The article was once published in the Asian Times, a Hong Kong publication--so it might be a good economic history. The Chinese learned from the West's global mistakes and successes and are better economists than American neo-liberal economists that are still stuck on von Hayek.

 

I'm not that big on economics but I know that labels can be misleading so I like to just look at what happened and avoid giving it a label. There's a lot about the pre-World War two period in the article. I wasn't there so I can't be totally sure about what happened. All I have is second-hand info so I try to see which info makes the most sense. If the info in the article is an accurate picture of what happened, it looks like the National Socialist Party did a good thing.

What do you think of this info?

How Hitler Defied the Bankers
https://nationalvanguard.org/2015/08/how-hitler-defied-the-bankers/

The Jewish Declaration of War
on Nazi Germany
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

http://www.ihr.org/sites/default/files/weber_02_2012.mp3

 

"However, when Germany broke free from the bankers, the bankers declared a world war against Germany." --How Hitler Defied the Bankers

This is historically false. US Wall Street Bankers financed WWI, rebuilt Germany with US weapons and GM vehicles pre-WWII, dragged their feet to enter WWII, gave the Nazi's FDR's war plans against Nazi Germany on the very day of Pearl Harbor, and then helped the worst Nazi war criminals escape execution and in fact made some of them richest people in the world. See my historical exposition tilted, "US CEOs Provide Nazi Germany War Production and Sabotage
America."

 

"If you are going to tell a lie tell a Big Lie."

Economists ignoring the depreciation of durable consumer goods are telling a Big Lie of Omission.

It is NAZInomics!

What is NDP?