Agency reverses course on Trump's Alabama hurricane claim

Commerce Chief Threatened Firings at NOAA After Trump’s Hurricane Tweets, Sources Say

Dr. Jacobs objected to the demand and was told that the political staff at NOAA would be fired if the situation was not fixed, according to the three individuals, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the episode. Unlike career government employees, political staff are appointed by the administration. They usually include a handful of top officials, such as Dr. Jacobs, and their aides.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...tweets-sources-say/ar-AAH2AlS?ocid=spartanntp

 

Just as I predicted, you would not admit the truth that Tramp was talking about MUCH stronger than the anticipated tropical force winds.
Thank you.

 

30% for winds UNDER 58mph but only a 5% risk of winds 58mph or higher. The Right NEVER tells the whole truth, they only tell enough truth to deliberately mislead.

 

It was wrong for winds 58mph or higher, which was 5% and wrong for hurricane winds which was ZERO %.

 

Risk of tropical storm force winds, not hurricane winds. In the South, we get tropical storm force winds in summer thunderstorms. Alabama was in no real risk from this storm ever.

 

Who knew.

 

I predicted this in post #10 of this thread:

"In other words, Trump most likely strongarmed someone at the NOAA to lie about the initial statement, in the process throwing a weatherman under the bus to cover his own behind. PATHETIC!"

To make the doormat Commerce secretary do the strong-arming is even more pathetic. Do these people have no pride?

Of course, watch the Trump defenders do another round of spinning this into fake news from the left.

 

How was this for "timing"?

"More evacuations were ordered for Florida's East Coast as Hurricane Dorian slammed into the Bahamas as a powerful Category 5 storm on Sunday.

"This storm is one of the strongest storms that has ever threatened Florida," Gov. Ron DeSantis told The Weather Channel on Sunday. "It's now strengthened to where it's stronger than what Hurricane Andrew was. It's stronger than Hurricane Michael. This is a major, major threat to the east coast of Florida."

Current Florida Evacuations

-Palm Beach County ordered mandatory evacuations to begin at 1 p.m. Sunday for zones A and B. Zone A includes mobile homes, substandard housing and low-lying areas prone to water intrusion. Zone B generally includes the barrier islands, land areas north and south of the Jupiter Inlet, and other surge-vulnerable areas south along the Intracoastal Waterway to Broward, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office said. ..."
WEATHER.COM, Hurricane Dorian Causes Devastation as Category 5 Storm Smashes across Bahamas, By Jan Wesner Childs and Ron Brackett, September 01 2019.
https://weather.com/news/news/2019-09-01-hurricane-dorian-impacts-florida-evacuations-ordered

 

This is what Trump actually said:

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Donald J. Trump


@realDonaldTrump


In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!

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So, you think Trump overreacted? As opposed to this reaction?

"-Martin County ordered mandatory evacuations to begin at 1 p.m. Sunday that includes homes on the Hutchinson Island and Jupiter Island, Sewall’s Point and mobile homes or homes in low-lying areas.
-Indian River County has ordered all residents living east of U.S. 1 to evacuate beginning at 8 am Monday, the Indian River Emergency Operations Center.
-Brevard County delayed a mandatory evacuation order for people living in the barrier islands, low-lying and flood-prone areas, mobile homes, and anyone with disabilities until 8 a.m. Monday....

Jax Sheriff's Office
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@JSOPIO
If you ignore the MANDATORY evacuation order and call 911, we may not be able to respond to you if you need police/fire assistance. There will likely be a period of time you will not have access to first responders."
WEATHER.COM, Hurricane Dorian Causes Devastation as Category 5 Storm Smashes across Bahamas, By Jan Wesner Childs and Ron Brackett, September 01 2019.
https://weather.com/news/news/2019-09-01-hurricane-dorian-impacts-florida-evacuations-ordered

 

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Please paste up a quote and a link for Trump predicting "hurricane winds" for Alabama.

 

Well it looks like Joe gave up and ran away.
The reason I looked up the direct link to the NOAA letter was because none of the sites, not even the conservative ones, had a working link to the maps listed in the letter as proof, and that made me suspicious. When I found the original letter at the NOAA site using google I found out why. The link to the maps in the FAKE Tramp NOAA letter labeled "Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41" did NOT link to the HURRICANE advisories, but to the tropical storm advisories, which tells me NOAA did NOT write that letter, the White House did. NOAA would know how to link directly to the HURRICANE advisories if they wanted to, so the unnamed author of the FAKE NOAA letter intended to deliberately deceive by linking to the tropical wind advisories and labeling the link HURRICANE advisories. I then looked up the actual NOAA HURRICANE advisories and saw that not one hit Alabama.

Here is the letter copied directly from the NOAA site and you can clearly see the link labeled "HURRICANE advisories #15 through #41" does NOT link you to any HURRICANE advisories but to only the tropical wind advisories.

https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa
From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at the following link.

The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time.

Here is the link I found to the HURRICANE advisories:
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/DORIAN_graphics.php?product=wind_probs_64_F120

 

None of those are Alabama ordered evacuations, try to deflect with something relevant next time.

 

You posted the quote yourself, and now you are playing dumb. The anticipated winds for Alabama were TROPICAL force winds, so winds that would, and I'm quoting your own quote from Tramp, "hit (much) harder than anticipated" have to be HURRICANE force winds of at least Cat 1. DUH!

 

Then the NHC got it it wrong when their maps showed a "percentage possibility of tropical storm force winds... between Aug. 27 and Sept. 3. Maps on Aug. 30 grew to cover far more of Alabama, but for only 12 hours, and the highest percentage hit ***20% to 30%***..."

"The statement from NOAA contrasts with comments the agency’s spokesman, Chris Vaccaro, made Sunday. “The current forecast path of Dorian does not include Alabama,” Vaccaro said at the time.

Friday’s NOAA statement, released just before 5 p.m., points to a few graphics issued by the National Hurricane Center to support Trump’s claims. The maps show percentage possibility of tropical storm force winds in the United States. "Parts of Alabama were covered, usually with 5% to 10% chances, between Aug. 27 and Sept. 3. Maps on Aug. 30 grew to cover far more of Alabama, but for only 12 hours, and the highest percentage hit ***20% to 30%*** before quickly shrinking back down."
AP, Agency reverses course on Trump’s Alabama hurricane claim, By SETH BORENSTEIN and KEVIN FREKING, 9/7/19. (*** mine)
https://apnews.com/b77db47e44954ee4b4ab948c3d898d8d

Did the coastal counties of neighboring Georgia ignore those NHC risk assessments of "tropical storm force winds" as far as Alabama?

 

Did hurricane force winds strike those evacuated counties?

 

Now you are just spaming this thread by repeating baloney already debunked in this very thread.

 

You just admitted that the NHC was "anticipating" "tropical storm force winds".

Yet you are attacking Trump for reacting to the NHC risk assessment.

 

None of those counties are in Alabama.

 

Read again - this time focus on "tropical storm force winds". I have made that part easier for you to notice.

"The statement from NOAA contrasts with comments the agency’s spokesman, Chris Vaccaro, made Sunday. “The current forecast path of Dorian does not include Alabama,” Vaccaro said at the time.

Friday’s NOAA statement, released just before 5 p.m., points to a few graphics issued by the National Hurricane Center to support Trump’s claims. The maps show percentage possibility of TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS in the United States. "Parts of Alabama were covered, usually with 5% to 10% chances, between Aug. 27 and Sept. 3. Maps on Aug. 30 grew to cover far more of Alabama, but for only 12 hours, and the highest percentage hit ***20% to 30%*** before quickly shrinking back down."
AP, Agency reverses course on Trump’s Alabama hurricane claim, By SETH BORENSTEIN and KEVIN FREKING, 9/7/19. (*** mine) (ALL CAPS MINE)
https://apnews.com/b77db47e44954ee4b4ab948c3d898d8d

 

And none of those counties experienced "tropical storm force winds". Your extreme sensitivity to error seems to be remarkably selective - and political.

 

No I am attacking Tramp for predicting on Sunday Sept 1 that HURRICANE force winds would hit Alabama while he was claiming he was being updated on the storm every hour even while playing golf on his vacation.
So he was either lying about the hurricane hitting Alabama or he was lying about being updated even when playing golf.
Either way Tramp LIED!!!!!
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-staffer-followed-golf-cart-hurricane-dorian-updates-2019-9
Trump had a staffer follow him around in a golf cart to give him updates on Hurricane Dorian at his Virginia golf course
President Donald Trump enlisted a staffer to follow him around in a golf cart and provide him with updates on Hurricane Dorian over Labor Day Weekend

 

Your own post contradicts you
Read again - this time focus on "Tramp's Alabama HURRICANE claim.". I have made that part easier for you to notice.

 

Show me that quote from Trump predicting "hurricane force winds".

You have already insisted that the NHC projection was for "58 mph" winds in Alabama.

 

You have yet to produce a quote from Trump warning of "hurricane force winds" in AL.
Why is that so hard for you to find?