Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently this nut job never should have been able to buy a gun. We don't need more laws we need laws we have enforced and procedure followed by authorities. I wonder if the air force can get sued over this?

    SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — A day after a gunman massacred parishioners in a small Texas church, the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.

    Under federal law, the conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and toddler stepson — he had cracked the child’s skull — should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he acquired in the last four years.

    “The Air Force has launched a review of how the service handled the criminal records of former Airman Devin P. Kelley following his 2012 domestic violence conviction,” the Air Force said in a statement."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html
     
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    Mistakes happen. What should be taken from this is that the government failed, not the in-place process.

    There are those screaming for more government involvement on the issue.

    Connect the dots.
     
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    Ouch, big blow to the narrative.

    "Gun control" was already in effect and failed.
     
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    That's my take on the situation
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - Air Force scramblin' to cover dey's ass...
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    Texas Church Shooter Doesn't Rate Being Called 'Veteran:' VA Secretary
    6 Nov 2017 | Air Force officials said Kelley joined the service in 2010 and served in logistics readiness at Holloman AFB in New Mexico.
    See also:

    Air Force Didn't Alert FBI to Texas Church Shooter's Criminal Past
    7 Nov 2017 | The Air Force and the Pentagon's inspector general office are reviewing how the service handled discharging Devin P. Kelley.
     
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    I'm speechless, and at the same time I'm nonplused.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently liberals in here that demand more gun laws are speechless too.
     
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    They are just saving their energy for today’s ‘scream helplessly at the sky’ day on the 1 year anniversary of Trump winning.
     
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    Its a fact that very few liberals will hear if they dont watch Fox News
     
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    Even Politico is suggesting that folks should sue the government here. USAF fails. Actually, I believe it's worse than that. NPR ran a story this morning with the statistics of how many BCDs with felony convictions and domestic abuse/assault cases across services that had been reported out, and out of the thousands of cases, just one? Massive failure in the bureaucracy to be effective in what it is supposed to do.
     
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    No.

    When you live in the country with the most guns in the world, even a mental can find an AR-15 at the corner.

    If Kelley had lived in Canada, purshase this type of semi-auto rifle would have been virtually impossible.

    Mags are limited to 5 bullets and you have to wait for months - after a complete police investigation - before you get the license to get one.

    But hey, Canada is probably a dictatorship full of people who do not know what TRUE freedom is.
     
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    Generally I'm against the "sue the bastards" mentality but in this instance I may feel differently. The air force really dropped the ball on this and 28 people died that shouldn't have due to extreme negligence.
     
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    Its like all the immigration laws that are not enforced

    If the name of the civilian employee who failed to do their job can be established their employment should be terminated for cause
     
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    He legally purchased this gun because procedure wasn't followed by the air force. He should have never been able to buy any weapon.
     
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    Should he be denied a drivers license too?

    Because without a gun he can use a car or a truck instead
     
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    So you have the proof that a small administrative problem can lead to a terrible massacre.

    But I'm sure you will not question the fact that "normal" people can buy an arsenal.
     
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    Just like the Boston Massacre. Those terrorists should never have been allowed in but thanks to folks like you, they are.

    Yes because see in this country the 2nd amendment is a right. Eh

    Exactly how many times must this be explained to you?
     
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    LoL

    If it were true, it would have dozens of Canadians running into people on the streets every year.

    Obliviously, it's not the case.
     
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    I would be happy to have them indicted for contributory negligence to a homicide. (In this case multiple counts).
     
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    Like abortion ?
     
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    Show me in the Constitution where abortion is a right like the 2nd amendment.

    Your assumption about me is really going to blow up in your face once again :)
     
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    Yes normal people can buy guns but there's alaw against a confirmed psycho with violence on his record buying guns. We don't need more laws, we need laws we have enforced.
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    God did not write the Constitution.

    It's a piece of paper that can be changed.
     
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    Yes. we do. Explain why not following the law, in your mind is acceptable then? Is your justification that because anyone can buy an arsenal controls to keep felons, or folks convicted of domestic assault/abuse shouldn't be restricted? Laughable.
     
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    And I said He did where? Do you enjoy making up facts?

    Yes. With another amendments. Try educating yourself on the subject because its clear you have no clue how it works.

    And thanks for admitting abortion doesn't exist in the Consuitution

    Eh :)
     

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