Alabama’s Draconian Abortion Ban Has Women On Twitter Ready To Fight

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  1. chris155au

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    How can the zygote not become a human?
     
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    Wrong!

    That is as fatuous as believing that if one women can gestate a fetus in 9 months then 3 women must be able to do it just 3 months.

    Viability is the point where the LUNGS have developed enough to breathe sufficiently to ensure that there will be no damage to the brain and other organs. Insufficient oxygen via the lungs results in brain damage and disabilities in premature infants.

    In essence the technology would have to be a 100% REPLICATION of the placenta and the uterus and even then that would be a SUBSTITUTE environment that would be astronomically expensive to manufacture and operate.

    Given that you would NEED 1,000,000 of these devices that will cost around $10 billion PER DAY to operate you would drive healthcare costs up by at least $2 TRILLION PER YEAR. We currently spend around $3.5 trillion for 320 million people. You want to INCREASE that by 60% for the sake of just 1 million fetuses.

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to justify that expenditure to satisfy a small subset of theists who want to IMPOSE their beliefs on the nation and BURDEN taxpayers with the bill.
     
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    No, only the abortionist would be breaking the law according to the most popular pro-life belief. Again, if abortion was no longer available under the health system, how would women have lost the right to make decisions about their womb?
     
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    Because it is unjustly taking a life in many cases.

    Right, because only MEN in government are pro-life?
     
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    According to the law, yes.
     
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    Correct, and they are responsible for their own actions. They shouldn't go running to the government to remove their mistake via an abortion. They should live with their actions.
     
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    Because you said that in all states, women can get an abortion at ANY TIME in the term for any reason they choose.

    Why what?

    Are you actually saying that it's not even a life until it's born?
     
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    I'm talking about LIVING POTENTIAL PERSONS!

    I agree that everyone's morals vary but what are laws based on, if not morals?

    In cases where the woman's life is not at risk, what HEALTH problem is abortion curing exactly?
     
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    Again. they would have to do it in an illegal way. Let's not mince words.
     
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    Right, because it is overwhelmingly men making those decisions.
     
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    You're thinking about the Alabama law aren't you?
     
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    Well so what? If they are not going to be prosecuted, then why not have an illegal abortion? And nothing further on your 'lost the right to make decisions about their womb' argument?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, relying on BC is not "dumb"...it is what people do who don't want to get pregnant and don't mind using BC.

    Human beings will not stop having sex. That is a FACT...and I have the entire history of the world to back it up...


    So if people are injured in a mountain climbing accident, they asked for it by doing something risky so you want them left on the mountain to die ...they shouldn't expect the government to rescue them or give them medical aid?


    Haven't we been here before where you insist women be punished for having sex by not being allowed an abortion and mountain climbers are left to die....
     
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    AND , as I have explained to you that is incorrect and against the law. But you seem to have an "agenda" so I'm going to show how wrong you are again

    IF one hires a hitman and they are successful BOTH the hitman and the one who hired them are charged the same.

    AGAIN, what is the point of making a law when certain selected people are not charged or punished for breaking it.

    Here is where you insist women who break the law shouldn't be punished because they didn't commit a crime :roflol: :roll: :roflol:




    Again I don't know what TF you mean by your mysterious "health system" but any time a segment of the population is excluded from any health care entity that is discrimination.
     
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    You can easily read the law. The Supreme Court declared the right to an abortion is a fundamental liberty that the state must have a very strong interest to limit.

    The Court ruled that the woman’s liberty (her right to control whether or not she is pregnant) is stronger than the state’s interest in the fetus’ life up until a certain point in the pregnancy. That point is the “point of viability” - when the fetus could survive on its own outside of the womb.

    After the point of viability, the state’s interest in protecting the fetus outweighs the woman’s choice to terminate her pregnancy.

    After the point of viability, the Court ruled, a state can prohibit women from getting abortions.
     
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    NO, as you have been told many, many times one has to be BORN to be a person.

    After viability the fetus has PROTECTIONS NOT RIGHTS , again, as you have been told many, many times.

    When you ask the same questions over and over and over you appear to be a troll.
     
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    I am thinking about the decisions, wherever they are made.
     
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    A woman should have the right to determine what happens to her body. what other argument is there?
     
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    Perhaps, forming the question to frame the options might provide clarity:

    At what point during a pregnancy do you advocate that a woman's control of her own body be seized by the State?

    1) Immediately, as soon as a microscopic, mindless entity appears in the womb

    2) When the gestative process has advanced to the point of viability, or

    3) At birth.
    The law and the overwhelming public consensus concur on Option 2, I believe.

    Of course, the right of free speech allows anyone to propound whatever notions they entertain and proselytize volubly, but not to force everyone to submit to those notions via the coercive power of the State.
     
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    Those states have very high minority populations

    Mississippi for instance is about 40% black

    And New Mexico about the same for hispanics
     
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    Renee said:
    Lol...the highest teen pregnancy rates are in red states here’s the highest rates. I guess they listen to Sarah Palin’s daughter on abstinence
    1. New Mexico
    2. Arkansas
    3. Mississippi
    4. Oklahoma
    5. Texas
    6. Louisiana



    And your point is.....?

    It certainly wasn't to refute that posters post...because t didn't.
     
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    My point is that blavks have higher teen pregnancy rates than whites
     
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    So? Why did you need to point that out when the discussion was about how preaching abstinence doesn't work?
     
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    Because most blacks are democrats living in red states
     

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