Alton Sterling shooting may have been ok

[video=youtube;pkGgamy8L7Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkGgamy8L7Y[/video]

as you can see in the video, his left hand was under control.

but his right hand appears to have been free, and he was struggling with the cops.

did his right hand reach for his gun? its very possible.

 

Actually there's another angle that shows both hands were detained when the shots were fired.

 

Post it.

 

There is no way that having people, glancing at some video, should be the determining factor in whether someone is guilty (or not guilty) of some crime.

As much as the media and know-it-all, wanna-be, 'investigators' rely on, the only thing that actually works is the court system, where stacks of information will decide.

 

You can clearly see right before he is shot he is turning the cop over, that's why the cop ends up on his back.

 

here's what blacks don't say -

1. There are altercations like this all the time, 99% of the time they don't result in death because cops do a good job. You can;t take the 1% and claim 'oh look! this is what cops do'. Unfortunately, CNN and other networks don't show the good job the police do because it doesn't generate ratings
2. Cops are not robots, i repeat, cops are not robots. Cops have emotions and sometimes are afraid and nervous.. People don't understand that every f time a cop stops a car, someone can kill them. The person in the car may be in possession of drugs, illegal forearms or have something else to hide and could be willing to drop a cop dead to avoid jail. If you are a cop, you know this, that you literally risk your life every f day for like 40k a year. So... when some idiot wants to resist arrest and make trouble, it's a recipe for disaster. Cops can get killed in a split of a second and are trained to avoid this by using force and neutralizing the person quickly. Blacks need to stop resisting arrest, wrestling with cops.

 

All of these situations are ok once they're investigated. But blacks and their media lapdogs rush to a microphone and all hell breaks loose.

 

Whether or not shooting the man saved their life, it would be good advice that if 2 cops are wrestling with you, and one says "hes got a gun", and the other says "if you move I swear to god", it would be a WISE move to listen to their command. Jus sayin'.

 

I didn't realize OP posted the second video. Up until now the only only news I heard was on radio. But anyway hears the other video though it's not all that clear.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...7E5392C7C006C144EB117E5392C7C006C&FORM=VRRTAP

 

A convicted felons facing his second illegal carry and third strike knows he is going to jail for a long time, probably life given how strict Louisiana's three strikes law is. What do you think he did?

Put yourself in his shoes. You have two strikes, you have an illegal gun in your pocket, cops pull up. You know you are going to jail for life if you don't get away.

 

The right hand was not moving towards the gun, which means not possible. He was struggling to some extent, but the officers had the suspect in a situation where they could realistically subdue the person and handcuff him if they were more patient and followed procedures.

 

I've been studying Judo since I was 11. I know a thing or two about rolling someone off of you. If the right arm is pinned you can't possibly roll someone off of you go your left.

Try it yourself have someone get on you and pin you right arm. See if you can roll left.

 

If he was over 300 lbs., not immediately going to the ground when commanded, and unfazed by a taser--one can very easily form the devil's advocate argument for why the police actions were justified

 

I've noticed that in the crucial moment when Sterling rolls the cops both videos pan away. Why? Because both people taking the video know he has broken loose and is armed so they are protecting themselves.

 

The problem is the guy did not know Judo or any other martial arts. And yes, I do know a thing or two about self defense, wushu myself, as well. I do know that certain pressure points can make you do things you would not want to do, among other things. Judo is about redirecting the force and there are certain moves that a Judo student can use to get off from another person. But as I said, that person would have to had training beyond the white belt to do something like that.

That being said, the police officers had the person under control and there was no movement by the right arm going towards the gun. He was trying fruitlessly to get free or resist as much as possible, but that is it.

 

When in doubt spout some bull(*)(*)(*)(*). I'm not going to dignify this (*)(*)(*)(*).

And thsts is not true at all. And you know its not true. At 00:10 he clearly rolls the officer off of him. That us not control in anyway. I'm not going to argue facts with someone who is willing to say absolutely (*)(*)(*)(*)ing anything regardless of obvious truth.

 

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I gave you the benefit of the doubt and now I do believe you know nothing of any martial arts whatsoever. In order to do some of the moves that you are describing, you need to have training beyond the white belt perspective. Perhaps after 13 years, you are still at the white belt stage and have never progressed since then.

Your post shows two things. First you never watched the video and second you are making assumptions here. If you watched the video, you would see in about two seconds no camera shot of the moments of the police officer off the guy and the suspect. Second, the suspect was still on his backside when the shots were fired. And then you see, after the two seconds with no screen shot of either the officer or the suspect with the next frame showing the officer on his backside, weapon drawn, and suspect clearly shot.

 

So your argument is that without training you cannot roll someone off of you so therefore Alton couldn't have rolled the cop off of him which we clearly see him do 10 seconds into the video. Like I said you are willing to say absolutely anything regardless of obvious facts.

I didn't say he was shot after he rolled the cop. He rolled the cop in reaction to being shot. That means his right arm was free. You can't roll left with a trapped right.

Furthermore we clearly see the right arm pull back between 00:03 and 00:04. It is at this time that the officer says 'He's got a gun'. First the arm was clearly not trapped because he pulled it back, second the motion look like going for a gun. We also see the left hand of the cop who is on him multiple times, between 00:08 and 00:09 the left hand can be seen clear as day meaning he did not have control of the right arm.

Convicted felons facing his 3rd strike in Louisiana. He is going to jail for life and he knows it.

 

Also at 00:07 I can see his right elbow, humerus parallel to the ground and elbow even with his shoulder. If I were to lie on my back and attempt to reach into my right front pocket this is exactly what it would look like. The police did not have control of Mr. Sterling's right arm. Mr Sterling brought his hand up from mid thigh to his waist or pocket area, allowing the elbow to be seen. Mr Sterling then moves his hand down, we lose sight of his elbow, was his hand in his pocket at this moment?

Cheers

 

Yes I saw the same thing too. Another BLM case bites the dust.

 

Depends on who is on top of you and who you are and what training you have. Simply trying to resist arrest does not necessarily mean that you have a good chance or any chance of rolling someone off while laying on your backside. For the average person such as the suspect, one would have to use their legs to accomplish that or move violently to get the person off. And per the video, that did not happen at all. There was some movement, but not enough for your scenario to happen at all. There are ways one can do it using Judo or any other martial arts, but then again, one has to be trained for the type of circumstance you were arguing. And there is no known evidence that the suspect had martial arts training.

You are trying to justify something while the facts are not on your side. Your argument about getting someone off with as little effort as possible is not something that most people know. Most people will use their legs or other body parts to try to get a police officer, who have some self defense training to apprehend suspects, off of them.

Again, you are making an assumption. It is equally plausible the police officer reacted and voluntarily got off the person after shooting the suspect. Again, there was about two seconds of frame where one could not see either the police officer or the suspect. It was after the shots were fired and the two seconds of no frames of both the officer and the suspect while shots were fired. As for the gun, it was on the same side of the arm. That arm would have to move downward and towards the pants pockets. The more likely reaction was that the police officer felt the presence of the gun while struggling with the suspect or that the gun was coming out of the pocket with no assistance from the suspect whatsoever.

the point about being a third conviction is moot in this case. He was selling CD's at the corner store. There is a report of a person who said he was threatened by the suspect. There is no other evidence of than that person who made the complaint that we know of at this time. A defense attorney may cause reasonable doubt towards that person based on the evidence already. And this means that a third conviction may be in doubt. That is also totally separate from the incident because it is usually not part of the trial since that can cause an unfair assumption of guilt of the alleged crime. The only way a person's past can be used is if there are relevant indicators of such towards the crime in question such as using the same MO on multiple occasions. He convictions indicate no such thing BTW. And that is it.

 

Really? in order to get your hand into that pocket where the gun was located, moving the arm in the direction you are prescribing would not have gotten your hand into that pocket where the gun was located. The position that he was trying with the arm and elbow was to use them as leverage towards the police officer to resist arrest. That is all.

 

Lay on your back with your arms tuckdd close to your side. Now put your right hand in your right front pants pocket. Where is your elbow? Now look again at the video.

Alwayssa, I know it's hard to look at a man and think that he's contemplating murder but that's what Alton was doing. He probably came within 2 seconds of success. It's madness I know, but it's madness brandishing a gun on your CD customer. It's madness even possessing a firearm as a felon. It's madness to confront the police while armed.

Alton was crazy mad that night and it did him in.

Cheers

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What the (*)(*)(*)(*) are you talking about. I said you can't roll left with your right arm trapped. I said nothing about (*)(*)(*)(*)ing effort involved. Stop making (*)(*)(*)(*) up. As I said you will say absolutely anything regardless of obvious truth.

No you can clearly see alton roll. Again you will say anything.

Immaterial Alton had already rolled. The missing footage does not falsify alton rolling. You are acting like we are going to find Jimmy Hoffa in the missing 2 seconds. Again you will say absolutely anything.

The 3rd strike isn't the CDs it's the convicted felon on probation in possession of a firearm. That is a felony and his 3rd strike Alton knew that if he didn't get away he was going to jail for life.

 

What I highlighted in bold is an assumption on your part and nothing but an assumption. That being said, I have had experience is every possible position you can think of in trying to get free. Laying on your backside with one arm pinned and two police officers on top of you is not going to get them off you. IF you look at the video, you do not see the officers off them until after the two or three second frames that went on the ground. After that, you saw both the suspect on the ground and the police officer on their backside with the firearm drawn and pointing at the suspect. None of that suggests what you are assuming here. Or are you assuming that he was going to kill simply because he was black?

The other part is that you have the convenience store clerk state that he was not acting deranged or crazy when he came inside the store. the clerk even said that he did not know he had a firearm nor brandished that firearm or mention he had a firearm.

If you look at the video, the right arm is barely visible. You only see the right arm and the position you are talking about until after the shooting, not before. And again, these small, significant details separates the truth of the evidence from the wannabes.