America

This guy isn't even American. He's Canadian. Yet he's got more patriotism than most leftists. Why do leftists hate America so much that they want it fundamentally changed?

 

So you want America to stagnate.

 

That's not what the vid is about.

 

You:Why do leftists hate America so much that they want it fundamentally changed?

Me:So you want America to stagnate.

 

Change is a scary thing for many especially if they believe the changes causes a loss of control or power.

 

Change is the only constant in life.

 

Very true but fear is a powerful emotion.

 

Your post made me think of this. Thank you.

I think a french poet originally said this but RUSH made it better.

Plus ca change
Plus c'est la meme chose
The more that things change
The more they stay the same

 

Fear of the unknown is always unsettling, that's why it's best to be educated on as much as possible.
And make sure things one believes can pass the smell test.

 

Nice song.

 

Well the op posted a song about change from a Canadian musician. I thought it was only fair to post a Canadian Rock and Roll hall of fame band playing a better song about change.

 

Well if history has taught some of us anything it's we have certainly changed and in fact been in declining/stagnations since Clinton and the great sell off of American's industrial and productive clout...

 

I heard this artist better then three "Maybe more" weeks ago, It may not be a white thing, as Americas Blacks totally embrace and related to it.. Loved it!

 

Sorry, blame the corps who sold.

 

I'm sorry, I should have knew better then to use the historical approach, it's a confusing and underhanded tactic used on Democrats, my most heart felt apologies

 

Do you not know what "fundamentally" means? There is a difference between "change" and "fundamentally change".

 

Change itself is just fine. I even encourage change. But there is a difference between "change" and "fundamentally change".

 

If 'stagnate' means I remain more free, then yes, absolutely. Authoritarianism is 'progress' I'll do without.

 

Fundamental change? It wasn't Democrats that stormed OUR Capitol intent on overturning OUR Presidential election, harming Congress and Senators, desecrated the building and wiped their **** on it's walls.

No Democrat President wanted to fundamentally change government by the People to government by "him". That's Autocracy, that's fundamental change.

 

I don't believe I mentioned party? I said "leftists". You could try and go for "far right idiots" maybe? At least you'd be somewhat closer to the truth then.

In any case, feel better now that you ranted that? Leftists may not have "stormed" the capitol, but they are trying to push their own fundamental change. They use cancel culture to try and silence anyone that does not think like they do, even if one of their own slightly disagrees they'll attack them. They want to get rid of capitalism and replace it with socialism, despite the fact that capitalism has raised more people out of poverty than any other system. They do not even like the idea of individual rights. Believing that all rights are collective and it is the collective that gets to say whether a right applies to an individual or not. Don't get me wrong, they holler about having individual rights, when it conveniences them. You don't however have an individual right to free speech that they hate. Calling it "hate speech" and considering it as an assault akin to physical assault. Nor do you have an individual right to self defense, "run away from that man raping you!!! Don't you dare defend yourself with that gun!". They holler about bodily autonomy but demand you get vaccinated and wear masks. (and yes, I know... conservatives and abortion...I'm not conservative so stuff it, I support RvW). They believe that the Constitution is nothing more than an old scrap of paper that needs to be done away with. They don't even believe in personal responsibility. Can you point to a single policy of a leftist that encourages it? No, you can't. How about work ethic? Nope. And there are sooooo many other things that I can name. This is just a tip of the iceberg.

Yes, some of these examples are simplified. Done so for brevities sake. Try not to get hooked up on individual examples. The topic of the thread is about their overall agenda. Not the parts that they are using to make it happen.

 

It wasn't a rant, just a reminder of who has actually attempted to fundamentally change OUR American way of life; It wasn't the "left". But, "Left" is far too ambiguous yet all encompassing to have any real meaning. It's a "right" construct, a bucket they can pour all their decisiveness and hate into, without any accountability for what it actually is. "Oh, I never said Joe, he's my neighbor, I just hate those commie lefties"; ask them what that means and you get very wishy-washy answers.

I'm sure "I'm" in your left bucket, and all my friends would be. But we're very patriotic Americans, relatively well off, we pay taxes, we vote, work hard and prosper, or did before we retired. We have no interest in These United States becoming "socialist' (or communist) or anything like it, we value our rights as we value equal participation by all Americans in their Government. We remember the deal the rich made, when the income tax was imposed, that they agreed to a graduated income tax, a deal they've reneged on. We grew up in the 50's and 60's we remember a time of strong unions and social programs that helped disadvantaged Americans and that was "a good thing", in our mind. It is, after all, the America and Donald Judas tRump are againing about. In short we want none of the bullshit you accuse us of, we want a stable United States. We, see that trickle down Republicanism hasn't been the answer, anyone not brainwashed by Fox news does. We want equitable government where all Americans prosper.

Of course you're brief vague, of course you can go on and on .... and on filling your bucket of hate and division. But the "left" is not your enemy, hate and divisiveness is, hate and divisiveness is what's destroying OUR beloved Nation.

 

Thread win. However, you'll never be able to convince the likes of the OP that "leftists" aren't just moochers who live high on the hog on welfare paid for by the hard-working, tax-paying patriotic Trumpers. This stereotype is firmly cemented in their brains, by years of listening to RW news sources.

 

How did I know from the title of this thread, before even clicking on it, that the premise would be (to paraphrase): "I am an American patriot, everyone else who I disagree with politically, is not"? Trumpers' minds are sooo easy to read.

 

While I agree some change may not be a good thing can you give me some examples of this "fundamentally change" that is destroying America. I think the problem is not everyone agrees with what a "fundamentally change" is or if changing it would be bad for America?

 

Former President Trump ran on "change" and if he runs again he will run on "change" as did Obama before him. I have never seen a politician unless running for reelection that didn't run on change. Those that don't want change should vote for the status quo.