American Public Schools. Should they continue to be funded?

Well my take funding should be at the State level and below mainly. However workforce preparation and trends could be supported by the Federal government for example in order to be sure young people are employable and have key skills for vocations. And civil rights protections are always going to be there. But K-12 education needs to have some tracking of students with options for technical employment education OR college preparation this coordinated with business interests, the States and Federal agencies who handle such concerns for an example for medical education why can't the NIH help in that so students are prepared in medical work areas? I see education as a overall interest between parents, the students, local to State employment concerns and national security as far as our national readiness for work and yes being ready for national defense work.

 

Such a vague question.

If you mean should the education system continue as it is, herding children into competitive age groups unlike they'll see in the real world, socialized schooling with government intrusion and tax payer funding as well as being dictated to by unions whose sole purpose is to support a specific political agenda and indoctrination?

No.

As mentioned before private schools are more successfully but not just those but home schooling yields a better quality education as well.

 

It's messy and I think the system needs to be overhauled.

 

"Free education" is myth. Someone must foot the bill---even if it's the Chinese buying our debt.

 

But are they? My general observation is that private schools are filled with kids with good parents, who do well in public school as well. The failings of public schools are primarily the failings of the public.

 

My main gripe with public schools (I went to public schools and became a success DESPITE their best efforts to sabotage me) is that public schools from K-12 are 90% full of good 'ol boy PoS ultra conservatives that are ironically anti-education. Such is why American Universities are so Leftist. Our K-12 education system is full of coaches and wanna-be Ted Cruz's that don't even believe in the fields they teach.

Most American public schools are run by incompetents who hold those positions out of pure corruption. They don't like education, they don't like technology, they don't like college and they certainly hate anyone who isn't a fellow pissed off conservative like themselves. Most public school administrators are lowly ultra conservative despots who openly hate most their students and aren't shy about it.


You also have numerous religious fanatics in American public education from K-12 who might as well have been warped in from the 1950's. They're incompatible with the world in which they live (and they know it). So what do they do? They all hire each other into public education and create massive good 'ol boy clubs that ruin our countries youth to the point that American children once out of HS go bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy into hard leftism because they've had nothing but putrid, ignorant ultra conservative teachers from K-12 who shouldn't have been let anywhere near a school. That is why America is so F'd up educationally. We have extreme radical conservative lunatics running K-12 and we have even more insane radical leftists that our youth run to in universities once they escape the conservative hell of K-12.

Such is why we have such polarities in America. On one end we have the unhappy K-12 Nazi-esq teachers and on the other end we have the Communists seeking indoctrination revenge at the university level. In the end you end up with those who go to college leaning left because they were made so ignorant from K-12 that their university professors mere acceptance of education and sophistication albeit with leftism intermixed seems like enlightenment compared to the moronic coach fools spouting Christian BS from K-12 to us.

 

By whom?

 

The Fed/State. That's who funds public schools. (The States fund them because they're forced to by the Fed or most states would immediately cut public school funding altogether).

 

American public schools should not (NOT) be funded by taxes on people's homes! There are many people who never had children, or who had children educated somewhere besides public schools.

The ONLY people who should be taxed for public schools are people who have their children IN those schools, or, who have EVER had their children in public schools. Taxing everyone's homes indiscriminately is completely unfair and unjust!

As usual with any form of taxation, the first question to be asked should be, "WHO ACTUALLY BENEFITS?!" Once you answer that question, you know exactly WHO should be paying the relevant taxes!

Property taxes that pay for roads, bridges, other mobility/transportation infrastructure, police, fire, etc. can fairly be laid on people's private property. BTW, take a good look at how much of your overall property taxes are shoveled out to the school districts. It is ALWAYS well over half the money you pay in taxes -- and usually somewhere between 70% - 75%. I'm NOT kidding....

 

You have no f-ing clue what you're talking about.

 

I put other. No to federal funding. Yes to state funding.

 

Just accounting. If they don't tax real estate for schools they will tax it and put the money in the general budget and then take the school budget out of the general budget.

 

What does that mean?

Like poverty isn't already a great incentive for getting residences out of poverty? Last time I checked, it sucks being poor. It's not the lack of incentive, there's plenty of that. It's the lack of connections that's the problem.

 

i agree it should be taxed by income where the highest income earners pay the public school expenditures.

taxing private property makes the poor pay for broken public schools, since not all private property owners are rich.

they are integrating the poor into the richer public schools, so eventually public school will be a welfare program for the poor since the rich will pull out their kids into private school as the rich liberals and conservatives already do.

 

Feds no. State and local yes. And states do because their STATE CONSTITUTIONS say they shall. The Feds offer about 10% of the funding the rest is all through the state and local governments from the state boards of education down to the county and city level.

 

It increases the value of the community and the individual property. But go ahead and get your state to exempt your county from providing public education and see what happens to it.

If that is what you are going to do then tax the person who recieved the benefit. The child. If the person went to private school then they are exempt from ever having to pay school taxes if they went to public schools then they have to pay the tax.

 

Yes but that 10% or more provided by the Fed forces the state to actually provide the rest and or to actually have the public schools in the first place. If it wasn't for the Fed funding and or assurance that there will be public schools provided and or the protections within them, many states such as Alabama, Texas and others would very likely either whittle down public schools to almost nothing and or phase them out entirely.

 

Vouchers should be handed out to students whose parents can use the vouchers for any school they so choose.

 

Yes but sir if that was the case, let's be realistic, what you're really talking about is wholly-corrupt, local-run, zero-regulation and or rights protections entities run by local county/city govts. that would very quickly:

-Massively discriminate against any and all minority groups (Race/Disabled/Religion/Income/Sex/Political Views+++++++)


Essentially instead of national and state curriculum and guaranteed rights protections we'd have county and city run "Local-Flavor Discrimination Centers". It would be mass chaos and would be a worse situation than we currently have.

 

There is no federal mandate for public schools, it is entirely a state constitutional requirement, nothing in the federal constitution. The federal government cannot eve require a state to provide a public education and do not profess to speak for the citizens of my state as to what we would or would not do as it will make you look foolish. There was not even a federal department of education until 1979.

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What guaranteed right there is no federal or federal constitutional right to an education it is entirely a state matter.

 

The teachers union won't let this happen. The voucher system wont do any good unless people support higher teacher pay so that schools can compete for better teachers.

 

You know we can play this game where you and others pretend you aren't for private, local schools with no Federal/State oversight and or protections that massively discriminate and promote a very select few statistically to the top and or middle of society but then you're smart and we both know that's exactly what your and others interests are.


The reason you hate the Federal involvement is because you and others very well know that without the Federal emergency funding of public schools and or Federal funding of specific public school programs in each state, you very well know that many backwards, ultra conservative states such as Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana, Alaska and others would immediately begin dismantling the funding of public schools and the country would fall into absolute racial, socioeconomic class chaos and you all could finally have your "AH-AH!!!! See!!!! Public Schools don't work (because we just crashed them), Now end them!" moment.


I don't think you are truly fooling anybody though most of all yourselves. You and others know perfectly well that the Fed provides massive funding to state schools which ensures states like Alabama are not allowed to destroy their states public education systems (as they promptly would otherwise).

 

Teachers unions will not have any influence in the Trump administration. The D's depend on the campaign contributions of the teachers unions and in return oppose and limit charter schools and voucher systems. Many teachers will work for the charters and private schools because their pay will increase because union dues and other fees will not apply. The freedom to teach without the bureaucracy of the unions will also attract many teachers.

 

That's ridiculous. A voucher system will result in a better education product for all because of competition. How do you possible conclude that some states will dismantle their education systems resulting in racial and economic chaos ??

 

That's a good one. The local urban city schools across the river are now 98% Black. Just as segregated as they were back before court ordered desegregation. All current court orders and laws discriminate exclusively against Whites and Christians. One form of racism is no better than another. The city schools are also largely "F" rated. So much for all the money and laws. These schools are in the most need of being left to their own devices. They won't allow the local police to patrol the halls, and have to pay for 100 of their own security officers.

It's good that communities that let their own citizens be as bad as they want to be should have their schools suffer as a direct result of their liberal stupidity.

My prayer is that Trump & Congress throws the US Dept of ED into the trash and keep the courts and Feds out of public K-12 schools.