Americans! Don't be naive and manipulated!

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  1. Kurmugeon

    Kurmugeon Well-Known Member

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    I have only a few doubts that the NSA REPORT was leaked by this person to the press.

    I have very strong suspicious it was done by manipulation of the leaker by people around her, who were/are working for the NSA and the Deep State. She was USED!

    Just because this REPORT was marked "Classified", and leaked, when it should not have been....

    Does NOT mean that the content of the REPORT is neccessarily TRUE and Accurrate!

    We, the American People, may be being manipulated into believing that the Contents of the report are VALID, simply because it was leaked!


    I worked in the Government producing reports for awhile... and I can assure you!:


    Being in a Report, being marked classified, and being Leaked .... and being full, accurate, and validated are not always the same thing!

    Do NOT assume, just because the NSA report was classified and leaked, that the contents of the Report are valid!

    Remember who is writing that report!

    I have great doubts about the veriacity of the claims made in the report... and ANYONE in the organization can write a report that claims whatever... No PROOF needed!



    Do the Claims being made in that report make sense and seem crediable to your gut instinct about what the Russians could do, and if they could do such, what would they do with that power?!!!

    Does the claims of the Report, setting aside the source and marking, make SENSE!?


    If the Russian had such power, how would they have used it in 2016?

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    http://www.latimes.com/politics/was...ed-with-leaking-top-1496716102-htmlstory.html

    This is the Report referenced in the OP.

    Such big news, if the contents of the report are true, I didn't think I really needed to make a reference, in the General Politics Seciton, but for those who want it... here you go!

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    Keep in mind, this is the NSA under the Trump administration, BUT, only four, very contentious, very busy, four MONTHS into the Trump Administration.

    The current NSA which is still filled with 8 years of Obama's people.

    We already know Brennan, head of the CIA, LIED to U.S. to protect the Democrats, Hillary and Obama!

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    Patriots are shocked by Trump and are out to get him. That isn't the deep state. That is patriotism. Many of the people leaking are Trump's own people.

    You elected a clown, a thug, and possibly a traitor, and Trumpers are the only people in the world who can't see it as plain as day.

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    Here is an article which comes from the Guardian, not exactly a right wing publication, which should have everyone doubting anything said by any of our current Intel agencies:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate

    So, just because it comes from an Intel Agency, does not mean that the Report contained the TRUTH, or the whole Truth, or anything but Rumors and Lies.

    Any document can be marked as Classified, if it meets the needs of the agency in question.

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    Kurmugeon Well-Known Member

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    So the Lefties who hate Trump want everyone to believe.... I don't.
     
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    Are you saying that you think this "leak" was some sort of set up? If so, I'm not getting that vibe at all. It looks like a 100% legit leak by someone acting on their political impulses. As for the document, sure the information in it could be wrong but otherwise it looks like a legitimate analytical product, not some sort of set up doc.
     
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    We don't know.

    I am saying that the issue of it being an actual classified report, is probably, but not assured, to be true.

    I am saying that the document was probably leaked by the person being accused.

    I am saying that the person who leaked it is very young and idealistic, and probably did not think through the full consequences of her actions, and may have been "Coached" into making the release for purposes of manipulation.

    I am saying that the validity of the CLAIMS being made inside the report are a completely separate issue, to the validity of the claims about who the leaker was, and if the document was an actual Classified Document. Just because it is a Classified Documents, does not mean the contents of that document are true, or even close to the truth!

    I am saying that we have seen multiple instances of Obama Era appointed / hired people within the Intelegence agencies have been caught in Lies, Deceptions, Law Breaking, and Manipulation ALREADY, so we should veiw this report, VERY, VERY, Skeptically.

    It might turn out, after significant investigation, that every word of the report is true, but the accusations of who leaked it, are completely false!

    Or, we might discover, that the leaker identity was true, but the contents of the report are completely bogus.

    Or both could be true, or both could be false.


    The two issues are not inherently tied together in veracity!

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    'Patriots'? Patriots you say? Since when have self absorbed Progressive Marxists become patriots? If the election of the most corrupt woman in the United States was rejected by true Patriots of America, then your statement is a complete lie.
     
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    There are allot of attempts being made distract this thread off onto tangents.


    The subject of THIS thread, is the observation that the veracity of the information of the existence of a classified NSA report and the leaking of that report to the press, is NOT inherently linked to the veracity of the information inside the NSA report.

    The subject of this thread, is the attempts being made to claim that the document was real, and the leaker was correctly identified, therefore the information inside the report is very damning to the Trump admistration, because it claims the Russians rigged the election.

    The Point of the OP, is that the Document Existing, and being classified, and having been leaked is one issue, which can be verfied by a number of different means.

    The accuracy of the claims being made inside the report, about the Russians having hacked the computer systems, and therefore having complete control over the election, is a completely separate issue.

    Proving the first issue, does NOTHING to prove the Second issue!

    And it appears that those within the NSA, who are in direct, very motivated opposition to Trump, are trying to link the two, in the minds of the American public.

    Anyone at the NSA can create a report that says, "xyzetimbetews... Whatever!" and get marked classified. The document can then be illegally leaked to the press.

    Just because you can prove the document was illegally leaked, does not mean that the content of that report is proven!

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    I don't think she was coached, I think she just did it on her own, and thought she would be thought a hero rather than someone who committed espionage.
     

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