And how low will the Democrat go?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    We know they can't run on their record and lack thereof. We know they can't run on what they plan to do to fix the economy and get people back to work.

    So this is all they have left.

    [h=1]Harry Reid: Romney’s Poor Father Must Be So Embarrassed[/h]

    This has certainly been a negative Presidential campaign. But did Harry Reid Really just go there?

    "His poor father must be so embarrassed about his son," Reid said, in reference to George Romney's standard-setting decision to turn over 12 years of tax returns when he ran for president in the late 1960s. Saying he had "no problem with somebody being really, really wealthy," Reid sat up in his chair a bit before stirring the pot further. A month or so ago, he said, a person who had invested with Bain Capital called his office. "Harry, he didn't pay any taxes for 10 years," Reid recounted the person as saying. "He didn't pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain," said Reid. "But obviously he can't release those tax returns. How would it look?"

    I find it ridiculous that Senator Reid would make outlandish speculative commentary on what Mitt Romney’s passed father would think of his son’s decision to withhold however many years of tax returns he chooses. And furthermore, Reid’s admission to not knowing, whether or not the Romney paid any taxes for 10 years, and yet still pedaling the rumor is ridiculous. I wonder if Senator Reid’s father, Harry Vincent Reid, is the slightest bit disappointed in his failure to lead America’s Senate in passing a budget as we careen off a fiscal cliff.
    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/townha...id_romneys_poor_father_must_be_so_embarrassed

    How outrageous to post such a smear. How on earth would a Bane investor know what Romney did or did not pay in taxes in the first place. And if I send an email to my Senator claiming to be former ACORN employee claiming Obama was paid money under the table and my Senator made a public accusation based on that email the MSM wouldn't go over a cliff demanded a retraction and apology? Just unbelievable how low Reid would go even professing to be able tto speak for his dead father who cannot refute from the grave, reprehensible.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Seen this eslewhere - imagine if it was Rush Limbaugh who had made a comment like this about Obama's father or mother. The left would be irate. But when an actual Democratic member of congress (not just a lowly radio commentator) makes a comment like this, it's barely newsworthy.
     
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    The conservative poutrage here would look a touch more sincere if they hadn't spent the last decade sucking up to the people who made a career of flinging some of the most vile rumors imaginable. Apparently, they only consider that a problem if they start getting a bit back.
     
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    @ mamooth

    Care to provide specifics or are you just talking (*)(*)(*)(*)?
     
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    Lol... Republicans... so cute. Shall we go back and revisit the various threads where an assortment of right-wingers gleefully called Anne Dunham a whore, Barack Obama a terrorist sympathizer/Marxist/Kenyan and Michelle Obama a big-assed cow? These are just a few choice representations of the plethora of attacks that are made and remade on a daily basis.
     
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    @ Toddwv

    No one cares about threads. This is a Democratic US Senator, big difference than some non-name on the internet calling Obama a Muslim.
     
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    A lot of those comments _were_ from Republican politicians. Where have you spent the last 4 years?

    And why the extreme poutrage over a rather mild comment from Reid? Mitt's dad was a politician who ran for president. Mitt is a politician running for president. Contrasting the positions of them is very fair game.
     
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    Reid intentionally LIED. Only fools would excuse him. The issue is not the slur about Romney's father, the issue is Reid's intentional and PLANNED LIES about Romney's taxes.

    No vile rumor, an intentional LIE that the stupid will suck up. Ethics and leadership, 2 words that neither b.o. nor Reid have any inkling what they mean.
     
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    Ever heard of Michele Bachmann?
     
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    A). We'll never know unless the Tax returns are released.

    B). According to FactCheck.org. Various GOP office holders and Mitt tell whoppers just about every day. I currently have 3 Republican ads running in rotation in my media market that score Pants On Fire lies which can be documented.

    I have no idea if Reid is serious or just just playing Campaign Rumor Mill. Frankly I don't really care. But I do find the outrage on the Right more than a bit ironic.
     
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    Um, exactly how do you know that he lied? Have you seen romneys returns? He certainly isn't forthcoming, its as if he has something to hide. Of course many on the right buy his "they just want to find things to attack me on", which implies that they will find things.

    I don't know and you don't know and until the candidate for POTUS stands up and demonstrates that he has nothing to hide, his hiding stuff is going to make a lot of people question his suitability to be the President. Finding out after his election that the President lied about something personal and damaging isn't the same as Yahoo firing Scott Thompson - and he only lied about his academic credentials and the board could fire him immediately - which they did. Doesn't quite work that way with POTUS>
     
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    The way Mitt Romney is running for president feels as if he thinks that the people voting for him are too stupid to actually care about the issues he's running on. That's why he hasn't detailed anything about his life or what he would actually do as president. He assumes his constituents can't think critically enough to care.
     
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    I am reminded of the final scene from the movie "The Incredibles" where some smarmy mole-like character expounds, " I am beneath you all, but NOTHING is beneath ME!"
     
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    The difference here is that all those comments about those people are true, whereas those about Romney have been and will always be false.
     
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    Technically everything said about Romney is bound to be true at some point.
     
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    You mean aside from the fact that the IRS hasn't gone after him?
    I know that critical thinking is not present in obama supporters, but maybe this will help:

    Do you see your problem here?
     
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    The IRS wouldn't go after him if it was legal, which it undoubtedly could be knowing the current tax code.
     
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    If there is nothing illegal, then why the lies and outrage?
     
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    Attempted deflection noted. Let's hear what you have to say about Reid spreading unfounded rumours about Romney and how a Bane "investor" would even have knowledge of Romney's tax return.
     
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    I tend to second your signature but I was not there to give it (your signature) my blessings...

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    And unfounded rumour, and how on earth would a Bane "investor" even have knowledge of Romney's tax filings? It was a smear which I have no reason to not believe Reid just made it up.

    For Reid to profess to be able to speak for Romney's father is absurd and beyond the pale.
     
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    Ahhh none of your business to begin with, and how would an investor in Bane have knowledge of Romney's tax returns.

    Attempted deflection noted.

    You don't know if he is telling the truth in his attempt smear Romney and Reid won't prove it.

    Oh you don't care that the leader of the Democrat Senate would just spout bold face lies in an attempt to smear his political opposition.

    Fine I trust then if a Republican does so you will be fine about it.
     
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    The entire point of the post is the Republicans systematically do each and every day. As you just demonstrated, they squeal loudly at even a hint their opposition does the same thing. There is a word or that, but why bother....
     
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    Those things are true. Reid's lies about Romney are not. Liberals won't understand the difference.
     
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    Intelligent people KNOW NOW. Has IRS charged Romney with anything? Has their been any hint of wrongdoing on Romney's part? NO to both. Intelligent people see these things and know what they mean. The stupid think lies are meaningful.

    Did Romney LEGALLY pay $0 tax even once, let alone for 10 years? Unlikely to ridiculous. If you ever made any real money you'd know how hard it is to pay $0.00 in taxes. I've NEVER been able to do that. But 51% of American workers WITH JOBS pay $00.00 in income tax and get $59 billion in EITC credits on taxes they didn't pay.

    How about some outrage for 51% of MONEY EARNERS getting a free ride? Not that they should have to pay a lot, just pay in some, instead of taking out a lot.


    These kind of findings from factcheck?

    "But after reviewing numerous corporate filings with the Securities and Exchange
    Commission, contemporary news accounts, company histories and press releases, and the
    evidence offered by both the Obama and Romney campaigns, we found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas."


    Outsourcing" the mainstay LIE of the obama lie campaign.


    "One TV ad, called “Come and Go,” claims that Romney “shipped jobs to China and Mexico.” But two examples cited by the Obama campaign occurred after Romney left Bain. There’s no clear evidence that a third company shipped jobs to China under Romney.
    A second ad called “Revealed” mocks Romney’s tough talk about cracking down on China’s trade practices by saying “all he’s ever done is send them our jobs” and citing the Washington Post article. But the newspaper article contained no examples of U.S. jobs being shipped to China while Romney was working at Bain.
    The “Come and Go” ad casts Romney as a “corporate raider,” but that term, loaded with negative connotations, is simply inaccurate. Bain didn’t engage in hostile takeovers when Romney was at the helm.
    That ad also repeats the claim that as governor of Massachusetts, Romney was “outsourcing state jobs to India.” But it wasn’t the state that outsourced contracts. Rather, Romney vetoed a measure that would have prevented the state from doing business with a state contractor that was locating state customer-service calls in India."

    Or these?

    "Obama reiterated his “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” refrain, despite the fact that at least a few million workers won’t keep their employer-sponsored plans, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
    The president also exaggerated the benefits of the law, such as the number of young adults who were able to join their parents’ plans, thanks to the law, and the number of individuals who will receive rebates issued by insurance companies that didn’t spend enough premium dollars on health care."


    And we could add that since the SCOTUS declared the extortion by Medicaid to be unconstitutional. The 33 million more that obamaTAX was SUPPOSED to cover, will not be covered. Wasn't that the MAIN issue, all those poor people without coverage? Did loony liberals that obamaTAX was going to throw that entire cost on the states to fund? NO they didn't, or because THEY don't pay taxes, they didn't care. The CBO said that obamaTAx would be deficit neutral [they have since said it will cost $2.7 trillion] but when they said it would be deficit neutral, they meant to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The states would have had to find TRILLIONS to fund the additional Medicaid beneficiaries.


    And I especially like these:

    "Romney repeated a number of distortions, saying that the law would “cut Medicare” by $500 billion and that it “adds trillions to our deficits.” That’s a reduction in the future growth of Medicare spending over 10 years. And CBO says the law would reduce the deficit."



    When Democrats talk about budget "CUTS" they mean they will spend only $4.5 trillion when they intended to spend $4.9 trillion sometime in the future. Democrats call that a "CUT."
    But when Romney, CORRECTLY, calls a HALF TRILLION reduction in Medicare funding a CUT. Democrats claim NO.


    "Romney said the law is a “job-killer.” But CBO says the law would have a “small” impact on jobs, mainly affecting the amount of labor workers choose to supply. Those getting subsidies, for instance, might work less hours since they’re paying less for health care."

    The CBO NOW says that obamaTAX could cost up to $2.7 TRILLION. And the CBO now says that obamaTAX WILL cost 800,000. jobs.

    AND all of these:

    "A new ad from the Obama campaign takes aim at Mitt Romney’s performance as governor of Massachusetts, claiming he had “one of the worst economic records in the country.” But the ad overreaches with several of its claims.

    The ad states that job creation in Massachusetts “fell” to 47th under Romney. That’s a bit misleading(misleading, as in a LIE). Massachusetts’ state ranking for job growth went from 50th the year before he took office, to 28th in his final year. It was 47th for the whole of his four-year tenure, but it was improving, not declining, when he left.
    The ad’s claim that Romney “cut taxes for millionaires” isn’t as black-and-white as billed. Romney opposed a plan to impose a capital gains tax retroactively, insisting on delaying the hike eight months. That’s different than pushing for a tax cut.
    The ad claims that Romney raised taxes on the middle class. It’s true that Romney imposed a number of fees, but none of them targeted middle-income persons. Also, Romney proposed cutting the state income tax three times — a measure that would have resulted in tax cuts for all taxpayers — but he was rebuffed every time by the state’s Democratic Legislature.
    The ad claims Romney “left the state $2.6 billion deeper in debt.” It’s true that long-term bond debt — used for capital improvements — rose under Romney, as it had in the years before he took office. But Romney wasn’t piling up yearly deficits to support operating expenses the way the federal government is, because Massachusetts requires balanced budgets.
    The ad claims that when Romney was governor, “Massachusetts lost 40,000 manufacturing jobs, a rate twice the national average.” That’s
    [/B]close to true, but the state lost a greater number of manufacturing jobs in the four years before Romney took office, and more in the four years after he left. In fact, the rate of job loss in manufacturing slowed during Romney’s time as governor.
    The ad claims Romney “outsourced call center jobs to India.” Not exactly. What he did was veto a measure that would have prevented the state from doing business with a state contractor that was locating state customer-service calls in India. Democrats who controlled the Legislature could have overridden the veto, but didn’t. The veto was supported by leading newspapers as a savings to taxpayers."


    Long story short, Romney's Bain career successful and POSITIVE for workers and the USA.

    Romney's turn around of the floundering Olympics, successful and a money maker for the Olympics.

    Romney's term as Governor of a liberal state. Successful in every instance. Unemployment below the starting point. A $1.6 billion deficit turned into a $2.1 billion surplus at the end of term. 47th in jobs b.o. claims. He does not admit 47th FROM 50th before Romney.

    Look before obama at peak employment that he needs to get back to, and obama is DOWN 4,795,000 jobs from then. obama is still down half a million jobs from when he took office. Unemployment up to 8.2% from 7.8% starting, ought to explain that to EVERYONE. But b.o. the liar in chief likes to claim that he has a positive jobs record in face of the FACT that unemployment is UP under his failed policies.

    I have OFTEN posted that obama's entire reelection campaign consists of LYING to the stupid.

    Everything obama has claimed about Romney is debunked here. NOT by me, but by factcheck, which if anything leans a little LEFT. But liberals, ON THIS FORUM, believe those lies and continue to post them. Not just liberals, misinformed, naive paulobots also post and stand by obama's lies about Romney.

    But obama and the left, MUST, at all costs, NOT allow b.o.'s RECORD as president to be an issue. Tell as many lies as necessary to keep the RECORD out of the news!

    Romney's ACTUAL record as Gov. compared to obama's ACTUAL record as pres, if everyone was smart would result in 90 million votes for Romney, 1 for b.o. Even Michelle wouldn't vote for him if intelligence and facts were the issues.
     

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