Don't you worry Ange old girl, 'cos we ain't going anywhere. I'm surprised your mate Theresa hasn't reassured you! Jesus what a farce! https://news.sky.com/story/angela-merkel-admits-were-going-to-miss-uk-after-brexit-11421846
May is desperately trying to be all things to all men, and the result of that will be Brexit-lite - correction, Brexit-very-lite to the point we won't notice any difference! I predict she'll accidentally screw up by fudging the red lines (well we mustn't upset our 'partners' must we - ooh no! ), resign when it's too late to review and reform, then retire into well-deserved obscurity, leaving her successor to clear up the mess - if it can be cleaned up - and the rest of us will have to pay for it. In other words, for the last two years she's been making mountains out what should have been molehills, which is what bureaucrats are good at. The Blessed Margaret must be looking down on us in despair.
Thatcher peddled to the NF and ensured extreme policy. Even then she was more moderate to this shower of Little Englanders....
I heard on the tv news last night that May's Chequers jaunt was a 'Support me or resign' ultimatum, and held there probably because there were no Minutes taken of the meeting, as there would have been in the Cabinet room in Downing street. Well that stinks of 'coercion' to me, and that's only a step away from dictatorship. She going to sell us down the river and we'll be in the effing EU for ever. I curse the weasel words and antics of the two snivelling turncoats, Gove and Johnson, and compliment David Davis on his integrity. And I have a message for the traitor May . . . "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go". . . . and join your friends in Brussels - you know you want to!
Well done Boris, and I take back everything I said. To think this could all have been over two or three weeks after Article 50 was invoked.
As I have said since day June 23 2016, there will be no Brexit. What the people want is irrelevant. They are mere cattle.
The trouble is that for about 75% of the population they're right. As to this crafty and authoritarian excuse for 'a government', it's a bit like Nazi Germany. Goering who said "Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship". So much for 'the democratic process' and dictatorship-lite? And we have the nerve to want to spread democracy around the world!
All we have to do is start singing about how anti democratic and illegitimate the government is and some cranky will Ghaddaffi another one of them in the street. Rinse and repeat. Once you take their legitimacy away from these people, the chances of them dying of natural causes becomes remote.
I tend to not make comparisons to Nazi Germany unless there are mass executions. Democracy is only one half of the picture. You need local autonomy too. Democracy which is remote from the people quickly becomes bureaucracy. The experience of democracy by New Hampshire citizens in 1783 was vastly more impactful than it is today. The state had near complete power in a confederation, and representation in the NH house was approximately 2300:1. Today, it's 700,000:1 in Congress. That's not democracy. That's a joke. The individual has no power at all. Local communities are dictated to by the whole. Brexit will fail, the world is in continual decline. Accept it. Cherish what remains of your liberty while it lasts.
Alright then, Nazi Germany without the executions. I think we can all agree there have been no mass executions so far, and that it was fairly obvious I was using a figure of speech??
Yeah, I just don't see the utility. Saying Nazi Germany inevitably brings up imagery of herding Jews into gas Chambers. I have compared FDR's economic plan to Hitler's, but it was accompanied with a great deal of disclaimers. I know it seems unrelated, but I highly recommend you read Madison's notes from the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention. The EU as it stands is not dissimilar to the US under the Articles of Confederation: the unanimity rule is preserved, the EU cannot directly tax citizens, no standing army, etc. Then, in 1787, they scrapped the unanimity rule and established a much more unitary government. The words of proud anti-Federalists like Henry, Smith, Lee mirror pretty closely those of the Leave lot. Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. The only difference is that this project is up one level of government - a union of nations, rather than states/colonies.
I was referring to the tyrannical power of a dictatorship such as Nazi Germany a la 'regime versus populace'. For the purpose of our exchange, and as disgusting as it was, the rest is an aside. But let us not split hairs.
I'm not sure the Nazi regime was unpopular. Far from it. It was unpopular after the war... lol. To be honest with you I can't work out how popular the EU is, in UK it's well known. In france and Ireland votes were about 50/50 Macron saying he thinks he would lose a referendum on it today. I think these are questions governments simple dare not ask.
Poll shows support for EU at 35-year high across bloc Reuters Staff 2 MIN READ BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Support for European Union membership has hit a 35-year high across the bloc, with a strong majority of citizens saying it has been a force for good in their country, even in Britain which is set to leave next year. The Eurobarometer survey commissioned by the European Parliament showed that 67 percent of EU citizens thought that membership had benefited their country, the highest level since 1983. Just 23 percent took the opposite view. Italy, where an incoming eurosceptic government is worrying Brussels, was least enthusiastic; just 44 percent of Italians said benefits outweighed disadvantages compared to 41 percent the reverse. Nonetheless, that marked a turnaround from last October when 48 percent were negative and 39 percent positive. Britain, which will make good in March on a 2016 referendum vote to leave the EU, was the next least convinced of the benefits of membership. But 53 percent still thought it had been a benefit, outnumbering those thinking that it has been disadvantageous by nearly two to one. The poll was published to mark a year until the next election for the European Parliament, when Britons will have no vote. The election will be held on May 26 in most of the other 27 EU countries. Parliament President Antonio Tajani forecast that the contest would set parties which believe in European integration against those bent on halting it. The 67-percent positive rating for the EU across the bloc marked a rise from 64 percent in October and 60 percent in surveys a few months before and after Britain’s Brexit vote. The low point in recent years was 52 percent in 2011, at the height of the sovereign debt crisis in the euro zone. May 23 2018 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-eu-at-35-year-high-across-bloc-idUSKCN1IO2SP
I'm sure if any country votes the wrong way the EU will promptly demand another vote, and another, and another, until they get the "correct" result. End the EU, by any means necessary.
