"Anti-Racist is a code word for Anti-White" mantra

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  1. Sab

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    Sorry all that would show is that people on Stormfront also agree with the statement. It doesnt in any way show that most people who agree with the statement are found on Stormfront. People are Stormfront are massively anti Israel. Does that ean being Anti Israel shows you are from Stormfront?
     
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    Most people who agree with the statement either are similar to Stormfront or are on there, and make their own blogs trying to vomit the same rhetoric.

    As such people like this are the last ones who need to tell anyone else about race.
     
  3. rayznack

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    Your study took that particular claim from one single other study. Because I do not have access to that second study, I do not know if that is their research or if they were a meta-analysis.
     
  4. Junkieturtle

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    Racism may be born from different factors for different people, but the underlying foundation of a racist belief is that you can make accurate statements about an entire group of people based on the actions of a select few. Anybody with a functional brain knows this is hogwash, that you can't just assume that a person is going to think or act a certain way because they share a few similarities with someone who does act that certain way. And especially when those similarities are as superficial as skin color or ethnicity. I realize there are a number of ways a person can arrive at wanting to feel like their bias applies to all, but there are no ways to arrive at at an objective foundation for those biases without sampling most or all of the population of folks you've got the bias against. Racists skip all that information collection and processing and jump right to the baseless conclusion that makes them feel good. They've opted not to use the brain in their heads, or the brains in their heads are simply not working well enough to see such elementary flaws in that type of thinking.

    I do understand your point, and I know the way I speak isn't going to inspire any racists to take a closer look at their flawed belief systems, but it was never my intention to write a post that was compelling and persuasive. It was simply to highlight what racism actually is in as plain a language as possible.
     
  5. rayznack

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    Skin color isn't a factor for higher IQ, but brain volume and known alleles are.

    Unfortunately for your argument, Blacks are lacking in the brain volume and beneficial allele department.

    What is wrong with admitting Blacks just won't be as successful, on average, as Whites and Northeast Asians?
     
  6. Junkieturtle

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    Well, it could be because being successful is determined mostly by social standing, social connections, access to wealth, location, economic climate, education, culture and perception of that culture, the fickle biases of fickle people, as well as what your working definition of "success" in this context even is than it does with what alleles a person has.
     
  7. Sab

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    er..no. and just because people on Stromfront beleive it doesn't make it wrong
     
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    Here is data from the Cognitive Abilities Test for UK students in 2009/10

    https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/glassessment.pdf

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    Blacks do surprisingly well, lagging Whites by less than 0.5 S.D., which is VERY encouraging considering that according to US data where they are almost always 0.8-1 S.D. behind Whites. Two issues to consider (and bear in mind) here:

    To what extent are Caribbean Blacks admixed with Whites?
    As regards African Blacks, they simultaneously benefit from the Flynn Effect (much better fed than parents) but also suffer from regression to the mean (African immigrants to the US are the most credentialed immigrant group and thus have IQ’s well above the African norm, and I assume to a certain extent this is the case in the UK also; logically, their children who take the CAT will have have lower genetic IQ’s). Which of these forces is stronger?

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/minorities-cognitive-performance-in-the-uk/
     
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    Brain size is very poor argument for higher IQ.

    https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/the-head-sizeraceiq-trainwreck/

    Especially, with the fact that Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon had larger brains than modern humans. Not to mention scientist say that our brains have been shrinking. And why are you still using that allele argument knowing its glaring inconsistencies in regards to IQ?
     
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    Attaining goals in education doesn't change your genes.




     
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    Certain genes are correlated with lifestyles.
     
  12. rayznack

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    Your article refers to IQ and head size/brain volume as a supposed correlation.

    Care to cite a single counter-vailing study showing little to no correlation between brain volume and IQ?

    There's no glaring inconsistencies between the allele frequencies and educational attainment you've managed to show.
     
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    I think Japanese-Americans are a good example of a people who started with almost none of those advantages yet have outperformed the average American in positive life achievements.
     
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    You judge a tree by its fruit.

    The 'IQ'/CAT results are almost worthless if the results do not have any predictive value for Blacks.

    I can't find any good data on Blacks in the UK other than their extremely high crime rate.

    On the other hand, other groups with similar IQ to Blacks - sub-continent Asians - have lower crime rates than Blacks - a halfway between the Black and White crime rate, iirc.

    And there's no shortage of Indians and Chinese at top posts in academia, engineering, math and science. I suspect the Blacks are lagging there, too.
     
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    A lot of that is cultural too. Their alleles didn't motivate them to work towards their goals. If you've got a group of people who tend to care about education and value hard work, it shouldn't be surprising when you find folks from that group become successful through education and hard work.

    A "positive life achievement" is a subjective thing as well. And I doubt you'd have to look very hard to find positive stories about immigrants from all over the world who've made something of themselves or their families after coming to this country with nothing.

    Personality, work ethic, and motivation are the things that are going to allow a person to be successful if we're talking purely innate qualities(so excluding the external help I mentioned in my previous reply). You're not going to measure any of that with sketchy allele "associations".
     
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    *shrug* Certain t-shirts are correlated with who wins the Superbowl. Wearing that shirt won't change the score.




     
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    [video=youtube;yGNBV-IJE7E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGNBV-IJE7E[/video]

    Indians are racially very similar to Europeans as there are many shared Y-DNA haplogroups such as R1a, R1b, F, G and J, which are also common among white Europeans. The following genetic study confirmed the origin of R1a1 lineage in India ( Sharma et al. 2008 ) and Y-DNA haplogroup R1a is the best candidate for a genetic signal of the Proto-Indo-Europeans.

    Many major rival models of the origin of the Hindu caste system co-exist despite extensive studies, each with associated genetic evidences. One of the major factors that has still kept the origin of the Indian caste system obscure is the unresolved question of the origin of Y-haplogroup R1a1*, at times associated with a male-mediated major genetic influx from Central Asia or Eurasia, which has contributed to the higher castes in India. Y-haplogroup R1a1* has a widespread distribution and high frequency across Eurasia, Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent, with scanty reports of its ancestral (R*, R1* and R1a*) and derived lineages (R1a1a, R1a1b and R1a1c). To resolve these issues, we screened 621 Y-chromosomes (of Brahmins occupying the upper-most caste position and schedule castes/tribals occupying the lower-most positions) with 55 Y-chromosomal binary markers and seven Y-microsatellite markers and compiled an extensive dataset of 2809 Y-chromosomes (681 Brahmins, and 2128 tribals and schedule castes) for conclusions. A peculiar observation of the highest frequency (up to 72.22%) of Y-haplogroup R1a1* in Brahmins hinted at its presence as a founder lineage for this caste group. Further, observation of R1a1* in different tribal population groups, existence of Y-haplogroup R1a* in ancestors and extended phylogenetic analyses of the pooled dataset of 530 Indians, 224 Pakistanis and 276 Central Asians and Eurasians bearing the R1a1* haplogroup supported the autochthonous origin of R1a1 lineage in India and a tribal link to Indian Brahmins. However, it is important to discover novel Y-chromosomal binary marker(s) for a higher resolution of R1a1* and confirm the present conclusions.

    http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v54/n1/full/jhg20082a.html
     
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    hi Sabnae.
     
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    sabnae?
     
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    Never Mind.
     
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    You didn't say anything about correlation. You spoke as though head size/brain volume-IQ link was a causation. Are you not familiar with the term "correlation does not imply causation"?

    I putted out that there is a big reason why you should use that as a causation.

    A few pages ago you said that Native Americans are doing better than Latinos, despite having lower alleles.
     
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    Lol yeah okay, just keep in minds those are the vast majority of people who are so scared of whites becoming a minority and going extinct in America when its unlikely that'll happen. Honestly most children don't whine nearly as much as that.
     
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    So what's a better predictor for educational attainment than these certain genes in which some have a 0.90 correlation with educational attainment?
     
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    Performance in high school.




     
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    rayznack...you do seem to have an unhealthy obsession with black people...

    Fixed. Was typing really fast.
     

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