Antifa = anti-free speech

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I served my country as a means of preserving the liberties and freedoms guaranteed to our citizens.

    These rights are are intended to be nearly unlimited, only excluded is where immediate harm may be caused to others, or the rights of others will be impacted directly.

    This antifa crowd is the epitome of the progressive agenda. They wish to silence through intimidation and violence, the freedoms provided even to hate groups. They wish to erase history, and the monuments representing that history, for better or worse, which makes them feel uncomfortable.

    This censor and revisionist history is by far a greater threat than what hate mongering idiots have to say.

    The freedom of speech and expression is not limited only to what people find acceptable. I'm scared for our nation with both of these moronic groups getting the spot light. I am far more worried about the agenda of the antifa crowd.
     
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    The Nazis on the left think that only speech they specifically approve of should be allowed. To.enforce the alt left ideology, they jump right into Hiters and Himmlers bag of tricks.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    If you want to preserve history then put the confederate crap in a museum.
    Did you get upset when us troops knocked down the statues of Saddam?
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    How many Hitler monuments are in Europe?
     
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    Thanks for sharing another idiotic right-wing fairy tale.
    The anitfa crowd, whoever they are, are not part of the progressive agenda if they promote violence like the anti-American white
    supremacist thugs. The peaceful ways of Jesus, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. are the heroes of the progressive movement.
     
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    And that is different from antifa how....?
     
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    Dozens. How many KKK monuments in the US?
     
  8. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Calling me an idiot in your first sentence. I'm not hopeful to even close to having a logical debate with this, but I shall try my best.

    Just like OWS, BLK, and the many other groups are not supporters of progressivism... right up until the point that they self identify and push the liberal agenda?

    Sorry, yes they are. They wish to silence and censure those perspective that they have found offensive or uncomfortable. This concept is a tenant of the progressive left.

    Sorry that fact is inconvienent for you.

    Ok great. Then I should have no issues at all finding posts in other related threads with you condemning the actions of the antifa? Should I go do a search? Or are you only critical of antifa's actions when the parallels to progressivism is called out?
     
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    Yet they have been taken over by ANTIFA. The left's very own Nazis
     
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    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    No there aren't. What country has Hitler statues? Not Germany.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Where are these hitler monuments?
     
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    Few, but monuments to the soldiers lost, hundreds.
     
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    He called your statement idiotic. You're not even able to separate the difference? That sure says a lot.

    Begging the question.
     
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    Has anyone said we should bulldoze confederate cemeteries?
     
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    Did Saddam live here? Was he American? The entire country is a museum. Want to put Yellowstone National Park in a museum? How about the Everglades?
     
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    Cemeteries are not monuments. However, there are plenty of those in Europe, as well.
     
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    Did you serve your country so that a bunch of Nazis and Confederate sympathizers could drive cars into crowds of innocent people?
     
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    First history is not to be found on a statute. The piece is an artistic rendering and that paragraph at the bottom is called a memorial and it is remarkably brief form of propaganda. Real history is designed to be detailed and it is normally designed to researched cited and objective, and it is to be found in books and articles and esoteric thesis papers of college students with a history major.

    Second, its not the duty of a local community to house this 'speech' in their parks or in their city halls ad infinitum because it was placed there two generations ago. Each generation of taxpayers has to WANT that art to stay on its property. Its their statute and their public space not yours. They should not have to stare at propaganda placed on art sitting in their space , if they no longer feel it represents their beliefs or tastes.

    Let the community work this out among themselves through their county commission or their city council or their parks commission or through direct ballot. they have their own values / views on who they want as historical heroes and roll models, and those opinions do not have to stay locked in cement because yours have not changed.
     
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    What 'bunch'?
     
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    So now a bunch of Nazis and Confederate sympathizers drove cars (plural) into crowds. No doubt someone here will read what you wrote and believe it. this is how the left infests itself with propaganda.

    Do us all a favor and never say you have the right to do something, because obviously that right can be revoked by people who disagree with you.
     
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    My sentiments precisely.

    It is very useful to have seen those monuments.

    I stood at the top of Bunker Hill in Boston one day and pondered the feelings of Americans who stood at the top to fight their own king. We today forget how it was prior to the revolution. People in America were loyal to England, it was their mother country.

    But imagine being called a terrorist at the top of Bunker Hill. Today we laud them. Back in their day, many Americans despised them.

    AntiFa is a mob. An armed and dangerous mob. I saw on TV the way Spencer talks. He is a serious Nazi, but fairly harmless. If Antifa stays clear of him, we won't see violence.
     
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    That is just a right-wing fairy tale.
     
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    It's no more of a fairly tale that Nazis are the rights representatives. Trump called it correctly.
     
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    Lying Donnie lives in alternate universe. As Crooked Donnie said: He loves the poorly educated.
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    One alleged Nazi kills a woman and severely injured many more. And that means all the Nazis drove his car? Amazing use of non logic. And of course, to sympathize with the confederates over the right to vote out of the union seems to anger them. What do Democrats believe one votes for?

    Why did Abe so scare the people of the south? Was it his promise to end slavery?

    Gee no. He did not promise them that. Well, we all know by now that Abe invaded VA at Manassas. See that battle site. It is a huge education since you can read plenty of material the park service has to read and walk the paths of the battle.

    Some of the North took it as entertainment since they showed up in their sunday finest to watch men die.
     

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