AOC cuts the Conservative Sacred Cow

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  1. Mac-7

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    Where is Cortez’ “valid, documented historical FACTS” to back up her claims?
     
  2. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Explain to the readers PRECISELY were she is wrong in the article...please refer to valid, documented historical FACTS. I'll wait
     
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    When I hear the term "Welfare Queen" I don't think of black or brown people...if you do, then maybe you are the racist.

    I'm not sure what she is talking about the middle class being screwed during the 80s...under Reagan's policies we saw 92 months of economic growth...the second longest in US History, under the Carter admin we saw 1.7 percent growth, under Reagan 3.5 percent. The middle class grew, not just the middle class, but people moved from the middle class to the upper middle class.

    I guess that's upsetting to a socialist.
     
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    It is

    Beginning about 50 years ago conservatives did not want to be bothered with teaching

    and attractive airheads like Cortez are the result
     
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    So.....nothing.

    Again, raise your standards.
     
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    This is in no way a response to what i said.

    Forum rules state that when you quote someone you have to respond to what you quoted.

    But.....to answer you. First off, there's no basis for her comment claiming that white working class americans were pitted against minirity working class americans. If you asked her to defend this you'd get pure deflection. The same thing im expecting from you now.
     
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    Playing dumb doesn't cut it, unless you truly are uninformed: https://www.npr.org/sections/codesw...behind-the-lies-of-the-original-welfare-queen

    And here's a reality check regarding Reaganomics:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/econom...ulation-and-bailouts-led-to-the-rise-of-trump

    https://www.salon.com/2014/04/19/reaganomics_killed_americas_middle_class_partner/
     
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    She will make for another MAGA president just like the one we have now that does the same you claim she is doing..
     
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    Dude, she just got into Congress....a run for President is a bit pre-mature thinking. But NO ONE can match what the Orange Oaf is doing to this country...and it ain't good!
     
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    Where she is wrong!?! The list is insurmountable but I'll at least give you one. Where in any of Reagan's speeches did he EVER mention race as a "welfare queen"?

    And the women that Reagan inferred too in his speeches was Linda Taylor who ABSOLUTELY defrauded the welfare system in the amount of 100's of thousands of dollars and was prosecuted for her criminal activities. Reagan used her acts to show how flawed our social welfare system was/is and that it is easily manipulated and perpetuates non-productive citizenry.
     
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    White people can defraud the Govt of welfare too....not sure what your point is? Many have people charged and prosecuted as well.

    Salon article is incorrect...look at the real numbers...the economy grew drastically, the middle class grew...incomes rose

    The PBS op-ed misses a huge point, while the rich got their taxes cut under Reagan, the largest sector to get the biggest relief from tax liabilty was the middle class, lower middle class, and poor.
     
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    I am sure that a nuclear holocaust maybe worse, just maybe. Especially after his frumpy dotard budget proposal guaranteed to help him lose the next election....
     
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    My taxes went up from the tax cut by Reagan. Tell me again how I benefited?
     
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    I bit premature and also illegal. She doesn't meet the minimum age requirement to run for the presidency.
     
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    Linda Taylor was the exception, not the rule....but Ronnie's constant use gave the perception to a willing audience that she was. He didn't invent the term, but he did use it during a radio address. Here's a good take on the subject http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...an_made_her_a_notorious_american_villain.html

    Anything else from your "insurmountable" list?
     
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    How is that possible? How much did they go up?
     
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    Your first sentence is just a dumb ploy......white folk aren't vilified in the press as the main recipients of welfare.....that's been a standard since I was a kid. FYI about the "welfare queen" flap.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...an_made_her_a_notorious_american_villain.html

    You supply nothing but opinion regarding "the real numbers", and you miss the point regarding tax relief. Here, read this AGAIN, CAREFULLY: https://www.salon.com/2014/04/19/reaganomics_killed_americas_middle_class_partner/
     
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    P.B.S. didn't miss it they choose to leave it out because it didn't fit their anti Reagan agenda
     
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    These are the people spoon feeding her https://www.justicedemocrats.com/about/
     
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    Where is her documentation?
     
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    Maybe you live in a racist town, with a racist newspaper...my local paper runs stories on white people that are prosecuted with welfare fraud.

    I read the Salon opinino piece it's just more left wing bs..."Despite what you might read in the Wall Street Journal or see on Fox News, capitalism is not an economic system that produces a middle class. In fact, if left to its own devices, capitalism tends towards vast levels of inequality and monopoly"

    Nothing could be further from the truth. A monopoly is not capitialism. Moreover...the middle class is not dead...it's still around, and today, just as strong as ever. Thom Hartman is a radical, with no sense of reality. His op-ed does not have any real numbers....it's just opinion.

    The reality is the 80s saw the second longest and largest economic boom in US history. MIllions of jobs created, an increase in real wages by roughly $20K/year in today's dollar.
     
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    Really? And you have valid proof they ran her campaign to obtain her seat in Congress? And while we're at it, please provide valid proof as to where she is wrong in the opening post's link. I'll wait.
     
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    I still don't see at any point that Reagan used race EVER in discussions or his speeches. Can you point to an exact moment he ever mentions race? He never even mentions Linda Taylor's name or that she is of color, EVER. He only mentions her crimes which were 100% accurate.

    And Linda Taylor was the extreme case of welfare fraud, but welfare fraud in general speak IS the norm. It's being majorly abused to this day and him referencing Linda Taylor's crime was merely showing that an audacious person can reap hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars. And his purpose of these discussion was merely how broken our system was/is.
     
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