Then I'll repeat facts. You claimed a shotgun was accurate only to 50 yards. I proved a shotgun was far more accurate. Being educated brought out your true childishness and you went from being merely wrong to a being a child and a fool.
The lack of integrity, and the degree of embrace of ignorance, is truly astounding to witness. Claims devoid of anything relating to facts have been made, with no effort at demonstrating a basis in reality. Rather than addressing such, and admitting to being incorrect, one decides to ignore those that can undermine the faulty credibility of their positions.
Don't know what country you live in, but here in the U.S. there is a wide base of handy people who know how to saw off shotgun barrels; I know that might sound like highly advanced technical stuff to some our foreign posters here, but it's simple everyday stuff here. Carbines are what you buy your 9 year old daughter for their first rifle to train and practice with.
Don't know about that; my wife comes in at 128# soaking wet and has had shotguns since she was 12, and used to skeet shoot for years, until she got bored. Our daughter could handle shotguns at 12 as well, even 12 gauges. 8 and 10 gauges I would have some doubts, but 12 gauges aren't that tough for women. I don't even like 8 or 10 gauges for myself.
I'm not anti-gun at all and never have been. I don't know where people come up with that idea. I oppose, for example, "assault weapons" bans because they're based upon appearance and not functionality. It's like banning pink firearms (now that I might support LOL). I do support reasonable regulations based upon a compelling argument but I don't even support mandatory background checks on private sales. I'd have to pause and think to tell someone how many firearms I actually own because I've not actually tried to tally up the count. All I've said is that the AR-15, and commercial carbine based upon the M-16 that is an assault rifle, isn't a very good home defense weapon. I used an M-16 that superior to the AR-15 because it can be fully automatic (before they modified them to three round bursts) and it was very good in combat but combat is not home defense. It's not even remotely the same.
Rather misogynistic. My wife isn't all that big and she has no problem at all with the 12ga. People that think women are "weak" when it comes to firearms need to re-evaluate their opinions because a woman can fire a 12ga all day long with the guys. My wife would laugh in your face if you told her to use a 410 as opposed to the 12ga.
an AR for home defense is insane. you will put holes in all of your walls, your neighbor's walls, your neighbor's neighbor's walls. and anyone caught in between.
Thousands with indirect methods, a couple of dozen verified personally, possibly more unverified. Wasn't curious enough to go beating through brush and undergrowth to find out most of the time. Why do you think that is even relevant re a home defense debate? I've seen highly trained 'experts' and 'crack shots' wounded and killed all the time, mostly by non-experts.
That's nonsense about Glocks and civilians. Virtually all military pistols "had" hammer fire requirements and with exception of the Browning and 1911's were DA/SA. Military trials required hammer fired TDA's with second strike capability. The G was only adopted by the Austrian military because this was excluded. Fact: the entire world is going to striker fired DAO, something the G pioneered. Gaston Glock also did not design the pistol specifically for military or LEO applications. What he did was successfully read the tea leaves and made a weapon for the future. Besides pistols are only an afterthought for military firearms. Glock triggers can also be tuned to just about weight of pull so desired. There's nothing easier to train a person on than a Glock and the absolute best pistol shooters in the world are almost without exception civilians.
Yes. A serviceable shotgun can be had for $100, AR's don't increase your safety any more at 4 to 5 times that price, and most direct encounters with armed criminals will be at short ranges anyway, 15 feet or so, and the vast majority of the time just turning on a light will send them running. Certainly a warning shot would without them or you seeing each other at all. Most of the stuff in this thread reminds me of that old Saturday Night Live skit making fun of academics, discussing " What If Napoleon Had B-52's At Waterloo".
an AR fires a round that is less than a quarter inch in diameter. how is this appropriate for home defense? you gonna take the time to aim every shot before shooting burglar? LOL!!!!
It depends upon what their intentions are and for practical purposes you aren't going to know. The reality is that a shotgun is a difficult weapon to master especially at close quarters and gets more so at night. A shotgun is really a weapon that takes over just outside of pistol range till about 40 yards. That is what it does well.
Actually Ron it's pretty easy with current red dot and holo sights and even easier at very close range with a laser. But you wouldn't know that.
Bravo, there is virtually no difference in hit rates between trained and the untrained at 15 feet and under.
why are folks urging people to buy a super expensive firearm with a very narrow point of impact when they could get a very affordable gun with multiple formats and uses and a wide area of impact? seems like common sense, go with shotgun for home defense
It's just another example of ideological cult behavior and the 'gun rights' fanaticism. I'm all for personal firearm ownership, and concealed carry, but I have no empathy for the loons who want to run around malls with rifles for no reason other than they want to parade around showing off their fashion accessory and making themselves feel important. It's stupid, for one; it screams out 'Hey, you psychoes don't need to bring your own weapons any more! You can spot me carrying my rifle a mile away and just come up behind me while I'm eating an ice cream or something, knock me out or shoot me in the head with your ,22 and then use my rifle to kill everybody!" It's moronic.
Hey Ron, at inside the home self defense ranges a shotgun is essentially a heavy recoiling carbine with a lot of flash.
