Are We Just Going to Lynch Mr. Zimmerman?

According to the police report, Martin attacked Zimmerman physically. It's not assault to defend yourself against physical violence. Simply chasing Martin is not assault.

 

Well, if a guy was following me, chased me down and pulled a gun on me, hey...I might just be upset enough to attack the gunman myself.

 

Actually, you need to learn the legal definition of assault in Florida.

"An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent."

When Martin ran and then Zimmerman followed it constituted an assault.

Martin was "afraid"
Zimmerman's pursuit was the act
Exiting his vehicle to confront Martin was the final piece to the crime.

 

actually if someone is following you at night and then pulls a gun and starts chasing you, that could be considered aggressive and someone would even have the right imo to mace them or whatever, you just don't do that

you can't chase someone down with a gun and them claim self defense if they protect themselves from you

 

According to the report and 911 call, Zimmerman was desperately trying to get back to his car and screaming for help. You can't spin that into Zimmerman was assaulting Martin.

 

He should not be lynched no. But he should stand trial for the shooting. if he is found innocent, so be it, but if he can not prove that he acted in self defense he should be punished according to the law. And if you ask me, the fact that the kid was armed, and the Zimmerman was following him around prior to shooting him points to it being premeditated.

 

This is not how our court system works. The prosecution has to prove intent, not the defendant. Reasonable doubt will be an issue if/when this ever makes it to court looking at the new evidence and testimony that is coming out.

It is sad that racially motivated anger is trying to incarcerate (along with calls for violence towards) a man with only bits and pieces of the events that have unfolded.

 

You got one thing wrong.....In cases of self defense the defense has to prove it. It's already known that he commited the shooting. If self defense can't be proven it is murder. Maybe not first degree murder, but some degree.

 

Why did Zimmerman get out of his car?

 

Chasing an individual while brandishing a weapon is illegal.

 

No evidence that he was brandishing a weapon.

 

No evidence that this was self-defense, since Zimmerman instigated the confrontation.

 

You still don't know what happened but act like you do. That just isn't smart.

 

All with sources. I know a hell of a lot more than you do.

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/did-trayvon-shooter-abuse-911.html

. Zimmerman called the police to report Martin’s “suspicious” behavior, which he described as “just walking around looking about.” Zimmerman was in his car when he saw Martin walking on the street. He called the police and said: “There’s a real suspicious guy. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about… These a**holes always get away” [Orlando Sentinel]

2. Zimmerman pursued Martin against the explicit instructions of the police dispatcher:

Dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
Zimmerman: “Yeah”
Dispatcher: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”

[Orlando Sentinel]

3. Prior to the release of the 911 tapes, Zimmerman’s father released a statement claiming “[a]t no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin.” [Sun Sentinel]

4. Zimmerman was carrying a 9 millimeter handgun. Martin was carrying a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. [ABC News]

5. Martin weighed 140 pounds. Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds. [Orlando Sentinel; WDBO]

6. Martin’s English teacher described him “as an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness.” [Orlando Sentinel]

7. Martin had no criminal record. [New York Times]

8. Zimmerman “was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer. The charges appear to have been dropped.” [Huffington Post]

9. Zimmerman called the police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011. [Miami Herald]

10. According to neighbors, Zimmerman was “fixated on crime and focused on young, black males.” [Miami Herald]

11. Zimmerman “had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics” [Huffington Post]

12. A police officer “corrected” a key witness. “The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.” [ABC News]

13. Three witnesses say they heard a boy cry for help before a shot was fired. “Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy.” [Miami Herald]

14. The officer in charge of the crime scene also received criticism in 2010 when he initially failed to arrest a lieutenant’s son who was videotaped attacking a homeless black man. [New York Times]

15. The police did not test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. A law enforcement expert told ABC that Zimmerman sounds intoxicated on the 911 tapes. Drug and alcohol testing is “standard procedure in most homicide investigations.” [ABC News]

16. In a cell phone call moments before his death, Martin told a teenage girl that he was “hounded by a strange man on a cellphone who ran after him, cornered him and confronted him.” “‘He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man,’ Martin’s friend said. ‘I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.’ Eventually he would run, said the girl, thinking that he’d managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin. ‘Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for,’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’” [ABC News]

17. Police have Trayvon Martin’s cell phone but never contacted his girlfriend. [Miami Herald]

18. Zimmerman told the police “he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on when Trayvon attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck.” “He said he feared for his life and fired the semiautomatic handgun he was licensed to carry because he feared for his life.” [Miami Herald]

19. The incident occurred in a tiny gated community Zimmerman patrolled regularly. [Miami Herald]

20. Zimmerman was not a member of a registered Neighborhood Watch group. Zimmerman also violated basic Neighborhood Watch guidelines by carrying a weapon. [ABC News]

21. The police reports were amended to bolster Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. “Initial police reports never mentioned that Zimmerman had a bloody nose or a wet shirt that showed evidence of a struggle.” [Miami Herald]

22. Police ignored witness whose account was different from Zimmerman’s.“One of the witnesses who heard the crying said she called a detective repeatedly, but said he was not interested because her account differed from Zimmerman’s.” [Miami Herald]

23. Just prior to killing Martin, Zimmerman may have used a racial slur. The police admit they initially overlooked the remark. It’s unclear exactly what Zimmerman is saying. [ABC News]

24. Zimmerman still has a permit to carry a concealed weapon in the State of Florida. [ThinkProgress]

25. In April 2011, Zimmerman called the police to report a suspicious black male, “7-9″ years old, “skinny build.” [Daily Beast]

26. Zimmerman’s friend, Frank Taaffe, says Martin was shot because he wasn’t “honest and truthful” with Zimmerman. NBC News reported that Zimmerman called Taaffe to thank him for his support. [Huffington Post; MSNBC]

 

Interesting that you rely on hearsay evidence, like the witnesses that did not see who was yelling but "assumed" it was the kid when the actual 911 tape tells a different story. The reason the police corrected the witness is because the witness was wrong. Duh.

Was Trayvon "brandishing" skittles? LOL

What other people think is just as bad as you just assuming. You know what assume means don't you?

Then you throw in the "(*)(*)(*)(*)ing" evidence like Zimmerman calling 911 46 times, something he is supposed to do, as some kind of indictment. Interesting that he never found a reason to shoot anyone 46 times before.

His previous non arrest is not even relevant.

What Martin's teachers say is not relevant, but what might be is that Treyvon was on a 5 day suspension that day and the reason he was far from home. Those records are now sealed. Why?

What is obvious is that you have already decided he is guilty without knowing all the evidence and in fact, wish to rely on what is not even evidence to bolster your emotional reaction.

 

The fact that he called Trayvon Martin a "f***ing coon" under his breath on the 9-1-1 call, in addition to the fact that he called the police over an 8 year old black boy in the neighborhood, means that he's a racist, paranoid man who, when you put all the pieces together, absolutely shot confronted and shot Trayvon Martin.

 

Guess that is why that call that portion "unintelligible" huh?

 

Go do some research. It's on the front page.

Also, police don't get to "correct witnesses" because their story doesn't jive with their own preconceived notions about what happened at a murder scene.

 

Ah yes, someone guessing what is said on the unintelligible portion of the tape in an environment where an Hispanic is now white and people just like you have already decided it was just racial is something to be trusted.

Looks like what you are trying to do is make the story "jive" to your preconceived notion and the fact is that you weren't there. Don't let your own bigotry get in the way of reason.

 

QUESTION: Why didn't the Lame Stream media .....The NY Times, specifically......... publish the fact that Zimmerman had a bloody face and a scalp wound immediately after the shooting incident of Trayvon ???

This info came out on the "McLaughlin Group" show on Sat Mar 24, 2012.

I am still leaning towards the possibility that Zimmerman didn't use good judgment in tailing Trayvon after the cops told him not to do that ....... however, the subsequent scuffle seems to indicate that Trayvon was kicking Zimmy's butt when he shot Trayvon.

From the still incomplete data, IMO, it was Zimmerman's fault for the incident. That's my opinion subject to additional facts.

However, the NY Times was obviously stacking the deck against Zimmerman when it did NOT report Zimmerman's bloody face and bruise on scalp .... AND THAT IS CONTEMPTIBLE LIEberrhoidal JOURNALISM ........ typical of NY Times.
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Even YOUR SIDE is admitting that's what he said.

Hahahahahahahaha, you lose.

 

Is JJ too stupid to figure out that the law helps blacks as well as any other race? Consider that it was Travon that had wrestled the gun away and shot and killed Zimmerman.

Just now on "This Week," George Will reminded everyone to recall the last time all of the press got on their high-horse and had all the Lacrosse Team deemed guilty before knowing the facts. It was like a lynch mob. And he reminded them that in that case it ended up that ALL OF THE PRESS WAS WRONG!!!

That's something to keep in mind here. I think we should keep a healthy skepticism as to what we're now getting from the mainstream press. We need to wait until all the facts come out BEFORE we make our final judgments.

 

Interesting (but not surprising) spin there, lilZimmer!

From the FOX article:

I wonder what could have been "updated" on Friday, 23 Mar 2012?

This?

Why would a "friend" of Zimmerman come out of the blue a month later and concoct this totally different story?

Hmmmm.....

 

Hold on.

You have proof that the witness' story is concocted?

Do explain - as that is quite the scurrilous charge, particularly in light of this clip from your link:

So far, it appears as though this witness testimony fits better with facts in evidence that led to the police decisions at the time of the incident. Please explain how you know otherwise.

 

You have proof that Martin attacked Zimmerman?

Please explain how you know this.