Are you sure you really want socialism---think about this one fact

Yes, and that is the case of communist North Korea. This country was under Japanese rule for 35 years and had communism imposed on it by the Soviets when they split the Korean peninsula with the US. Before that they were ruled by the Joseon Dynasty. Your claim that "those countries started out with the "good" socialism" is patently false.

 

Play all the word games you like, dude. Again, obviously you see no difference between Canada and Oceania. Both are government controlled, eh?

 

Thanks for admitting there is no "good socialism". Lenin, Trotsky and Mao may have started out nice, but all socialist countries end up like the USSR, NK and Venezuela.

I see a lot of accusations, but I don't see anyone proving that a socialist country can be viable. Like the US, having a socialist safety net, doesn't make it a socialist country.

 

In post #88 I said NOTHING IS FREE....quite clearly....but for you to think you need contribute nothing (no taxes)and have a country provide you with things is really a bad attitude.....graduates who CONTRIBUTE through taxes help future students and the economy and their country.......

 

These people never supported any kind of democratic socialism we see in the west and were preaching fanatical communism from the start.

 

Yes, you did then you immediately began writing about "free college".

 

Ah, so the problem is that you think socialism can only occur in dictatorships. I bet you think capitalism can only happen in democracies too.

 

The adage Gerald Ford spoke in Congress is appropriate: "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have."

The problem with elite, all power governments is not the system, but those running it. Namely human beings. Anything touched by mankind is eventually corrupted by mankind if there are not checks and balances installed. This is the main reason socialist countries fail.

The Netflix series "Wild Wild Country" is an example of a similar evolution.

While many see Julius Caesar as a hero and Brutus and Cassius as villains, the reverse is true. Caesar turned the Roman Republic into a dictatorship and is directly responsible for Caligula and Nero. Likewise, Lenin and Trosky are responsible for Stalin since, in both cases, putting such power into the hands of a single person or a few people will eventually evolve into handing that power to an evil person.

 

I thought it was obvious we were discussing Marxian socialism that follows capitalism.

 

Heh heh heh. So you don't know what socialism is. Not surprising given 80 years of anti-communist anti-socialist propaganda.

 

It's human nature as noted in my post above. No, I don't.

 

I'm not responsible for what you think.

Typical. Have a nice life, Kode.

 

Here is the equivalent faulty premise:

Are you sure you want aspects of Libertarianism, when Hitler will show up before intermission?

 

OK, I'll type slowly....giving students an education that they don't have to pay for until they start paying taxes which in turn pay for the education of others is a good cycle......


I get your itty bitty meaningless point but don't expect you to get mine...

 

Nobody said you were. But you are responsible for your own understanding, valid or not.

 

Lenin and Trotsky were both communists from the start. They were not as bad as Stalin but they were hard-core socialists from the start advocating government ownership of everything. They were nothing like the democratic socialists we see in Europe who believe in regulated taxed free markets.

 

You said "Hitler". ROFLMAO

 

So, you get it? Yours is almost as FUNNY!

 

Agreed the Euro Democratic Socialists are different from the USSR. That's not the point. Others claimed those Euro nations are "Socialist" and I'm still waiting for proof they are. Heck, I even provided a definition of Socialism earlier in the thread. So far, I'm mostly only seen insults and opinions. Not one of them has posted a single link supporting their beliefs that European socialist nations both exist and are thriving.

 

Do you think Democratic Socialism isn’t Socialism?

 

They use the same word but are very different ideas. Communist socialism believes that the government runs the economy and everyone works for the government and the government is run by the communist power rather than the voice of the people. Democratic socialists believe that the market should be privately run but that it needs strong government regulations to ensure that worker and consumer rights aren't abused and that high taxes are necessary to ensure a safety net and basic needs are met for everyone. Democratic socialists believe that the government should be appointed through democratic processes and there should be many parties rather than just one.

 

Yet Democratic Socialism is still a form of Socialism. That’s why the OP entirely falls apart.

 

Ever since they made gay yeah or neigh, they also made all things black or white. Instead of a SPECTRUM. A spectrum is too complex for the unedumacated.

 

I word a somewhat wrong word. The real term for European nations are social democratic.

 

What does the “social” in that term refer to?