Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

No self-respecting libertarian defends Democrats at the drop of a hat and defends Barack Obama for sleezing up to Louis Farrakhan for a photo op, either, but some people here who claim to be libertarians do.

 

As reference, in Virginia the tint law is as follows:
"Windshield: Non-reflective tint is only allowed above the manufacturer's AS-1 line (or top 5 inches). Front Side windows: Must allow more than 50% of light in. Back Side windows: Must allow more than 35% of light in. Rear Window: Must allow more than 35% of light in."

I do not have any reference for how the vehicle in the OP is tinted, but my feeling is that it is darker than is legal in VA. I base that feeling off of my experience with the 35% tint I put in my cars. If you have some other info, please share.

In the police report, which contains other lies and inaccuracies, the officer stated that he did not notice the temporary license tag in the back window until after they had subdued the Lt and obtained his drivers license. There is no way to know if the officer actually noticed it prior to that, but I find it difficult to believe he didn't.

As soon as he noticed the tag, his RAS for initiating the stop evaporated. Had the tag been clearly visible, he would have had no reason to initiate the stop, and so everything that followed; eluding, resisting, obstructing, assault on an officer, etc... becomes inadmissible. This is likely why they released him without charge.

 

Wow.....what’s wrong with Farrakhan ? Is he worse then Putin ? Trump gets a pass why ? Because Putin is a what, white supremest ?

 

Libertarians are just republicans who like Sushi, drive Volvo’s and are embarrassed by being on the same side as Trump and the rest of the embarrassing far right with weird hats.
Otherwise, there is no difference.

 

LOL - You need to get out of the collectivist hive more.

 

The fact you even need to ask that question is pretty sad.

But hey, whatever it takes to defend a moral and intellectual pygmy like Obama...

 

Another video emerged, then was deleted by the Marion PD, of another stop of the same SUV that happened in November. He was stopped for driving 19mph over the speed limit.

In that incident, the Lt. also drove to a safe location before stopping, where he was issued a citation by a reasonable Marion cop who did not feel the need to threaten deadly force, or deploy pepper spray, or bark unreasonable and contradictory commands. The entire process was professional and courteous, and the Lt behaved respectfully and cooperatively.

Marion PD says they removed the video because it revealed personal information, and promised to release a redacted version shortly.

 

No answer I see. One of the right’s buggy men ? Obama. You’re intimidated by Obama why ? This intellectual pigmy is smarter then the last three republican presidents combined. But Putin, he’s fine because the Donald says so.

 

What a libertarian says they really support and what they vote for are two different things.

 

Anyone who can't figure out what's wrong with Louis Farrakhan and Obama sleezing up to him for a photo-op needs more help than I can possibly provide.

 

Now there's a bonfire of narratives and stereotypes going up in flames - a cop in the remotest corner of rural Virginia treating a Black man with courtesy and respect.

Something tells me that this will be the last I see of this in the media here in Virginia, but hopefully I'm wrong.

 

It also seems to suggest that if the abusive cops from the December incident had approached the Lt in a respectful and reasonable manner, that interaction would likely have been a non-event as well.

 

I agree.

Some people are having a fit over Chief Riddle's remark that the incident in Windsor was a "teachable moment" but he's absolutely right. Putting the videos of the two traffic stops with Lt. Nazario side-by-side would be excellent training material for the recruits entering our police academies in Virginia (and elsewhere).

And I don't know what more can be done to screen out individuals who are temperamentally unfit to be police officers and are prone to escalate situations into dangerous encounters on their own. Most of our policemen and women are good if not exceptional human beings, but Officer Gutierrez isn't the only thrill seeker who has slipped through the cracks.

 

No doubt. In fact, if it wasn't a "teachable moment", it would all have been for naught.

The police officer that initiated the stop was not the one who pepper sprayed Lt Nazario. He was a rookie cop who had just joined the force, and had called Guiterrez as backup. My gut feeling is that the rookie cop overreacted about the stop, and Guiterrez decided he was going to use Lt Nazario as a demonstration of excessive force for the rookie cop. "Stand back kid, let me show you how it's done." Of course, this is all speculation on my part, but seeing how the rookie cop stood down in deference to Guiterrez makes me think Guiterrez was using this incident as a "teachable moment" of his own.

 

The redacted video of the November stop was just re-released:

 

Thanks for posting.

 

Still no answer.......Obama isn't like like Trump, sleazing up to every third world dictator he can fall in love with.

 

Agreed, but then, I'm not a fan of sovereign immunity.

Joshua Silverstein, Professor of Law at the University of Arkansas is a solid example of a truly “classical” liberal, at the heart of which shares many values with genuine conservatism and thoughtful libertarianism. His opinion piece in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette recognises that that government is not a supreme power answerable to no-one.

It really doesn't fit our system.

And applying it to our citizen police force, they should have no more nor no less privileges or immunities than any citizen making a citizen's arrest.

 

Everyone doesn't identify with politics. I have noticed that the only people this bothers are Trump supporters. Us vs them. He trained y'all well.

 

Well, that just takes away all the fun! Heaven forbid we treat people with common decency.

 

SC rulings don't apply to illegal detentions. Kinda obvious.

 

This is accurate. Thankfully, most police officers know it's easier to be civil. The other ones rely on intimidation but that only works if the person doesn't know their rights.

Several months ago there was a loud bang on my door at 4A. I saw that it was a cop so I opened the door. He proceeded to tell me that my son was involved in an altercation with his girlfriend and was being transported to the hospital. I told him that he had the wrong person as my son doesn't live in this town. He then proceeded to tell me that the guy gave him my name and apartment number and I needed to come with him to go talk to the man claiming to be my son. I refused and closed my door. He knocked again. I opened the door. He got testy and told me the man's birthday and asked me again if he was my son. I told him that I had already answered that question and he needed to stop banging on my door. I wasn't rude but he was getting on my nerves. I think it kind of shocked him that he couldn't bully me into going outside to get into the middle of whatever nonsense was going on there.