As the nation awaits a Kyle Rittenhouse verdict, some raise eyebrows at the judge

Victim: a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action.
"victims of domestic violence"

They are victims…..its a legal status for persons in the justice system.

 

So a car jacker, shot and killed by the owner of the car... is the victim... Got it!

 

They were not killed as a result of a crime nor an accident. The fact that the definition explicitly lists as a result of a crime first ought to give you pause. But it doesn't. Why? I have no idea.

 

Right. And the person killed would not be allowed to be referred to as a victim if the shooter were charged with killing the would-be carjacker. The people arguing with this simple concept are biased to the point that they cannot even think clearly. Must suck to be like that.

 

This entire Rittenhouse case is a great example of partisan American. And the debate on guns. Each side feels strongly and look at it with their personal lenses. If the judge had berated the defense in the same way he had berated the prosecutors, the shoe would be on the other foot.

 

YES. Its a legal status !

 

"or OTHER EVENT".....

Its a legal status.

 

Yeah, I see that. Do you wonder why it's dead last in that list? The word victim has a definite connotation and only a political hack or complete moron would not see the problem it poses in this case.

 

I'd like to note, that not at one time do they EVER call the aggressor the victim. They call the person whom defended themselves against the aggressor the victim of the assault.

Police identify teen found shot to death outside East Nashville market

An occupant of the SUV got out and kicked the victim. Police said the victim fired one shot at the occupant who fled on foot across the market parking lot.

"The deceased man found today is that second individual," police said in a press release. His name has not been released.

Webb is charged with auto theft, aggravated assault, possession of burglary tools, evading arrest and resisting arrest.

The victim will be interviewed further as the death investigation remains ongoing.

Now there are cases where the aggressor can become the victim i.e. an assailant attacks a person and brutally beats a man. A mob then attacks the aggressor and kills him. He then becomes a victim of another crime but was still the perpetrator of the initial crime.

ETA: I am no lawyer nor play one on TV. I did, however, stay and a Holiday Inn Express.

 

Well from personal experience I have been there and also witnessed some effed up scences. One witnessed science, in for traffic, judge ruled against someone who stated they pressed the brake and the clutch at the same time to slow down. Judge stated that can't be done. More than one of us looked at each other in disbelief.

 

Seems he was the only Vet present on Veterans day.. Is that really a bad thing?

 

False, they are not victims at all. Nor is that definition all inclusive lol.

Its cherry picked.

 

Yeah, he's interjected himself into the actual case. I don't want to speculate on his motive(s) but his thumb print is certainly on the scales of justice here.

 

The why is it OK to call the “victims”, “rioters” and “looters’? Which they did !!

 

I understand your point, but then ask this: Why are they allowed to call the men who were killed “rioters” and “looters” ? Doesnt that have the very same effect of prejudice on the jury as calling them “victims” ?

 

But your OK with calling them “rioters” and “looters” ?

 

Were they rioting? Where they on trial for it?

 

Same reason a car jacker is called a car jacker that were killed in the action of a crime.

 

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That’s obviously not the legal definition either

https://definitions.uslegal.com/v/victim/

By the legal definition they are most definitely not victims. They were the product of their own crime. And to label them as victims ignores the right of Kyle to defend himself from becoming the victim of a crime himself.

it also is not uncommon for a judge not allow people to be described as a victim in court because that assumes guilt. It’s very very common practice.

 

Because they are.

 

We’re those men victims of gunshots ?

 

Being at a riot does not make you a rioter.

 

What crime did they commit ?

 

Then by your standard, Kyle is a murderer