Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. xwsmithx

    xwsmithx Well-Known Member

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    p.s. Answers.com is not a theist blog, it's an independent site and the answers have to be voted on to qualify as valid. That was voted as the best answer to the question. You can go on many sites and read about people bitching about Jehovah's Witnesses coming to their doors even though they have "No Soliciting" signs posted, and the legal answer to all of them is that religious people are not covered by the No Soliciting prohibition. Even a No Trespassing sign doesn't cover your front door. As long as they don't try to come in, they aren't trespassing just by knocking. As I have pointed out to you half a dozen times now, the 1st Amendment does not give you freedom FROM religion.
     
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    Only in your IMAGINATION.....

    IF your god created humans he created what they are and they are capable of evil and suffering.
     
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    ;) For an atheist you sure have to explain and excuse god a lot :)
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:

    Theists always go quote mining and cherry pick out of context drivel!

    Here are the RELEVANT SCOTUS RULINGS on the matter!

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/397/728

    https://www.cornell.edu/search/?q=See+Martin+v.+Struthers,+supra;+cf.+Hall+v.+Commonwealth,+#

    My right to PRIVACY overrides your peddling of your theist beliefs ON MY PROPERTY!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    More BOVINE EXCREMENT!

    The ACTION of KNOCKING on someone's door is SOLICITING per the LEGAL DEFINITION!

    When you do so IN VIOLATION of POSTED SIGNS you are TRESPASSING and SOLICITING.

    The local cops ALWAYS haul away the theist violators when I call them.

    The LAW of the LAND protects the INDIVIDUAL's RIGHT to freedom FROM religion/
     
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    You don't even know what you posted. Peddlars, etc., do not cover religious people. Soliciting only applies to commercial salesmen. Read the cases. ALL of them defend the right of religious people to knock on your door, with the sole exception being if you have warned them once before not to come back. Only then can you charge them with trespassing. And that only covers that one person or church. The next church over can come knocking on your door an hour later.

    "The appellant, espousing a religious cause in which she was interested—that of the Jehovah's Witnesses—went to the homes of strangers, knocking on doors and ringing doorbells in order to distribute to the inmates of the homes leaflets advertising a religious meeting. In doing so, she proceeded in a conventional and orderly fashion. For delivering a leaflet to the inmate of a home she was convicted in the Mayor's Court and was fined $10.00 on a charge of violating the following City ordinance:


    'It is unlawful for any person distributing handbills, circulars or other advertisements to ring the door bell, sound the door knocker, or otherwise summon the inmate or inmates of any residence to the door for the purpose of receiving such handbills, circulars or other advertisements they or any person with them may be distributing.'

    The appellant admitted knocking at the door for the purpose of delivering the invitation, but seasonably urged in the lower Ohio state court that the ordinance as construed and applied was beyond the power of the State because in violation of the right of freedom of press and religion as guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth Amendments. ...

    Ordinances of the sort now before us may be aimed at the protection of the householders from annoyance, including intrusion upon the hours of rest, and at the prevention of crime. Constant callers, whether selling pots or distributing leaflets, may lessen the peaceful enjoyment of a home as much as a neighborhood glue factory or railroad yard which zoning ordinances may prohibit. In the instant case, for example, it is clear from the record that the householder to whom the appellant gave the leaflet which led to her arrest was more irritated than pleased with her visitor. ...

    We know of no state which, as does the Struthers ordinance in effect, makes a person a criminal trespasser if he enters the property of another for an innocent purpose without an explicit command from the owners to stay away. 12 The National Institute of Municipal Law Officers has proposed a form of regulation to its member cities 13 which would make it an offense for any person to ring the bell of a householder who has appropriately indicated that he is unwilling to be disturbed. This or any similar regulation leaves the decision as to whether distributers of literature may lawfully call at a home where it belongs—with the homeowner himself. A city can punish those who call at a home in defiance of the previously expressed will of the occupant and, in addition, can by identification devices control the abuse of the privilege by criminals posing as canvassers. 14 In any case the problem must be worked out by each community for itself with due respect for the constitutional rights of those desiring to distribute literature and those desiring to receive it, as well as those who choose to exclude such distributers from the home.

    The Struthers ordinance does not safeguard these constitutional rights. For this reason, and wholly aside from any other possible defects, on which we do not pass but which are suggested in other opinions filed in this case, we conclude that the ordinance is invalid because in conflict with the freedom of speech and press."

    MARTIN v. CITY OF STRUTHERS, OHIO

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/319/141
     
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    Settling the Debate About Jehovah's Witnesses and Soliciting



    They are not governed by solicitation law, but you can get on a no call list.

    https://patch.com/ohio/mayfield-hil...ebate-about-jehovahs-witnesses-and-soliciting
     
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    Why are you talking about locking up parents for a misdemeanor ? Imprisonment for misdemeanor charges are temporary in the US without due process.
    Do you know what a misdemeanor is ? You seem to be confused. It’s NOT a felony. Keeping kids in detention without their parents present is abusive. There is no federal law that prides for such activities.

    Why is this so hard to understand ? Jesus, Trump is getting away from being indicted for felonious charges and you want to imprison kids and their parents for misdemeanors without a hearing ?
     
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    Do you know what a misdemeanor is ? Probably not.
     
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    I keep forgetting that sarcasm is a high form of humor...sorry.iwas mocking your belief...oh wait, you’re an atheist...sure you are!
     
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    You underestimate my animosity. I want them deported without a hearing.
     
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    WRONG again!

    The SCOTUS upheld the RIGHT of INDIVIDUALS to be FREE from RELIGIOUS solicitations by posting SIGNS in that decision!

    When theists VIOLATE those signs they SHOULD be PROSECUTED because they are NOT above the law!
     
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    Wrong yet AGAIN!

     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    That is a VIOLATION of their rights which means that you are willing to give up your own rights too!

    Fortunately there are Americans who UNDERSTAND that UPHOLDING rights means upholding them for EVERYONE, not just those you want to cherry pick because of utterly baseless personal animosities!
     
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    They're not citizens, they have no rights in this country other than not being killed.
     
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    I'm an expert in sarcasm, you just failed at it.
     
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    Thank you for once again ESTABLISHING beyond any doubt whatsoever that you have a profound absence of Subject Matter Knowledge when it comes to the Law of the Land!

    EVERYONE under US Jurisdiction has the SAME Constitutional Rights with only a few rights that are EXCLUSIVE to citizens such as serving on juries, voting and being eligible to president.*

    This is basic Civics 101 which everyone learns at school.

    Why don't YOU know this?

    *There is only one exception which only narrowly applies to an illegal immigrant who has NOT sought asylum and is apprehended within 100 miles of the border and has been in the country for LESS than 2 years.
     
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    Deport 'em all. Revoke birthright citizenship. Deny education, welfare, and housing benefits. Build the wall. Stop granting H1-B visas. Stop granting family chain migration. Strictly limit immigration to those who have something to offer.
     
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    The majority of illegals are here because of visa overstays hired by American businesses. None of your suggestions address it.
    Revoke birth right citizenship ? Stupid idea. You are then no longer a citizen.
    either. Family chain migration ? That’s how Melania s family got here. Trump has been and continues to hire illegals for his golf courses and construction work.
     
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    Who is them ? People speeking asylum ? Change the constitution.
     
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    . Is David Duke your mentor ? People who aren’t citizens have no rights other then not being killed ? Lunacy. More then 7% of the population are non citizens. Thats 22 million.
     
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    Deport 'em.
     
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    As the guy pointed out in the hearing, anyone seeking asylum can apply at any legal point of entry.
     
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    We are indeed deporting the wrong people.
     
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    :) Like all righties you ALWAYS leave out the important thing....STOP COMPANIES FROM HIRING ILLEGALS AND PUNISH SEVERELY THE CEOs AND OWNERS OF COMPANIES THAT DO HIRE ILLEGALS.

    If CEOs started going to jail for BREAKING THE LAW , illegally hiring illegals,, the demand for them would go down and people would have less of a reason to come here..
     
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