Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

So you support liberal programs like “head start” because environmental factors are critical in early stages of development.

Tell us, what is it like to be in a group that disbelieves behavioral science and every university in the world ?

 

There's a lot to unpack here.

1) There is a ton of evidence linking IQ with dozens of different life outcomes, including education, income, longevity, and even accidents. (Dumb people get into more injurious accidents than smart people.)

2) Every study on the subject has reached a genetic determinative between .5 and .7 of all IQ differences, so the idea that there's "no genetic evidence" is utterly false.

3) Race is much deeper than skin pigmentation. An expert can tell someone's race just from the skull, the really good ones from just a tooth.

Possibly, but facts are facts no matter where they come from.

Again, IQ is the most consequential piece of scientific data known to psychology. Its results have been tested and retested, duplicated again and again. The data is robust and invariant. It's not racist to point out that blacks are taller than whites, or to point out that whites are taller than Asians. It's not racist to point out that blacks are dumber than whites, or to point out that whites are dumber than Asians (at least southeast Asians, anyway). Interesting statistical truth: white people in Japan commit crimes at a similar level as whites in Europe or the US, making them more criminal than the native Japanese population.

 

No, because the advantages of Head Start disappear by the end of 1st grade. It's been a massive waste of money and should be scrapped.

"Head Start, the most sacrosanct federal education program, doesn’t work.

That’s the finding of a sophisticated study just released by President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services.

Created in 1965, the comprehensive preschool program for 3- and 4-year olds and their parents is meant to narrow the education gap between low-income students and their middle- and upper-income peers. Forty-five years and $166 billion later, it has been proven a failure.

The bad news came in the study released this month: It found that, by the end of the first grade, children who attended Head Start are essentially indistinguishable from a control group of students who didn’t."

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/head-start-tragic-waste-money

More evidence that IQ is genetic, not environmental.

 

Orthodox Christianity, at least the Protestant version of it, created contemporary Western and American values. It's hardly a threat to it.

 

The reason that NO University and NO institution like the military use IQ scores, is, it’s unadulterated racism to do so.

No, asvab, psat, sat are not IQ tests. Other wise we wouldn’t even have a psat test. It’s called a Pre Scholastic Aptitude test,so those interested in improving their Scholastic SKILLS can do so. That makes it totally different the then IQ tests, which you have claimed over and over are one time, determinations of Intel.

You are continuing to spew racist based ideas that have nothing to do with education and the ligit measure of skill sets. . It’s all politics of the the haves so you can run around and claim rich white people are smart, simple because they inherited their money and their whiteness.

Let’s cut out the crap.

 

You have no reference. Just gibberish.
https://blogs.berkeley.edu/2016/09/02/does-head-start-work-a-new-look-at-the-data/

 

Yet more racist bovine excrement!

There is ONLY the Human RACE with VARIATIONS depending regions but even those are DISAPPEARING as we become a more homogenized global community.

IQ only determines a WESTERN LEVEL of EDUCATION and the ENVIRONMENT in which someone was raised. The genetic component can NOT be defined by some arbitrary "race". The FACT that EDUCATION alters IQ scores establishes that it is a WORTHLESS metric that racists are ABUSING for their own nefarious AGENDA.

An IQ score can be changed by MOTIVATION alone. The Chinese INVENTED the concept of taking tests 200 years BEFORE Jesus was born and TEST TAKING became part of their CULTURE. People who did well on those tests did better in Chinese society.

That does NOT make them any "smarter" than everyone else. It just means that they have been taking tests for 2000 years longer than everyone else.

 

Is that why you spend your time tripping over your BS.

 

How do you know what everyone else does not know? Can you prove that?

 

I would suggest that xwsmithx take an IQ test in competition against this guy:
https://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/

 

They listen to Trump and Trump has the most brilliant mind in the world. He told us that so it must be true

 

Depending on the test, I'd try him out. I don't do well on the Raven's Progressive Matrices test, but otherwise, I test pretty highly. I wouldn't mind losing to Tyson. But you're mistaken in thinking that either I or Tyson is representative of any population whatsoever. I test out at three standard deviations above the mean or higher, depending on the test. Tyson is probably similar. So neither of us is average for our race, ethnic group, age, or any other subgroup, for that matter. You never learn anything about a population from individual samples.

 

I see...so no one is representative of a population but race is? Firstly I find the IQ tests to be a very limited and flawed means of gauging intellect and secondly they would have nothing to do with genetic disposition regardless. I would suggest that environmental conditioning and experience are a far more important aspect of intellectual prowess and Race/Genetics would be but the scaffolding of the eventual architecture.
"Race’ cannot be biologically defined due to genetic variation among human individuals and populations. (A) The old concept of the “five races:” African, Asian, European, Native American, and Oceanian. According to this view, variation between the races is large, and thus, the each race is a separate category. Additionally, individual races are thought to have a relatively uniform genetic identity. (B) Actual genetic variation in humans. Human populations do roughly cluster into geographical regions. However, variation between different regions is small, thus blurring the lines between populations. Furthermore, variation within a single region is large, and there is no uniform identity."
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/

 

Yes, a race is a population. So is an ethnic group. So is a geographic area. (You can test the IQ in Kentucky, for example.) Sex is a population. Age groups are populations. Anything with a significant number of individuals in it can count as a population as long as the distinguishing characteristic is clear rather than vague. "Tan people" is not a population because the distinguishing characteristic is unclear.

Genetic variation among populations is interesting but irrelevant to whether or not you can distinguish a population. A Scandinavian is closer related genetically to a Korean than two Africans living side by side might be, but we can still distinguish the Scandinavian from the Korean. Within a hundred years, the population of peacocks in Florida will be visually distinguishable from the native Indian peacock population just because of genetic isolation.

What you "find" regarding IQ is irrelevant to what IQ actually indicates. And you call us anti-science.

 

Oh, he’s the “Chosen One.” Did you hear ? The religious right has now found their second coming and are preparing for “ the rapture.” Really, some believe this s.h.it.

 

Yeah...but that happens almost every year.....I can only take so much rapture.

 

I don’t ever remember a president making the claim. He’s now God. HTF did God never see those six bankruptcies coming ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b6bdcc-c44d-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

 

He has been the God of his mind for decades.....and there were no bankruptcies...none...ever, never....zero....bigly none never ever...…...hey, look at that over there>>>>>>>

 

I guess you have to look at it from God’s , err Trump’s POV.

 

Because, all written tests only measure skill sets. None measure intelligence overall. . There is no easy way to measure intelligence. It’s laughable how you cling to an idea, that one written test can reveal a person’s intelligence designated by a single number and used to judge a person’s worth the entire rest of his life with absolutely no chance of changing it. The idea is beyond obscene.

Bottom line is, there are multiple types of intelligence. Relying on One intel test does nothing but create an avenue for racism.

http://www.pz.harvard.edu/projects/multiple-intelligences

 

Jordan Peterson says no, there aren't.

I think I see your problem. You're thinking of IQ as a result on a test rather than an inherent character trait of the individual. IQ is not a result on a test, it's an inherent character trait of the individual. Like height, it manifests itself over the life (and growth) of the individual, but like height, it has an absolute maximum that can never be surpassed. And like height, you can stunt a person's IQ through lack of nutrition, lack of food, lack of stimulation, lack of social engagement (isolation), but those are relatively rare conditions. Everyone has an IQ whether or not s/he ever takes the test. An IQ test is just a ruler, it only measures, it doesn't create.

 

http://presskit.ditd.org/Davidson_Institute_Press_Kit/ditd_IQ_and_Educational_Needs.html

The post content does NOT substantiate the allegation of an IQ above 145!

https://theconversation.com/the-strange-links-between-intelligence-and-prejudice-81155

That explanation says volumes!

 

The opinion of inferior people about my IQ doesn't interest me.

I tested 145 on the Wechsler test ages ago, and 174 on the LSAT, scoring in the 99.3%ile of all college seniors/graduates applying to law school. Only 7/1000 students/graduates applying to law school beat me. That's already in the top .7% and only 37% of Americans have a bachelor's degree, so that puts me in the top .26%, and probably only the top ~50% of college students even think about applying to law school, so that cuts it down to .13% right there.

 

Anyone can PRETEND to be anything they want to be on the internet.

However the CONTENT of their POSTS always reveals who they ACTUALLY are.

 

The ASVAB is essentially an IQ test. Everything else correlates more or less with IQ and the ASVAB, except for high school GPA, which still has a .5 correlation, higher even than parental socioeconomic status, which only correlates with IQ at about .2.