Atheism is for intelligent people, religion for the rest - debate.

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  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Here is the definition of superstition:

    superstitionnoun [ C/U ]
    US /ˌsu·pərˈstɪʃ·ən/
    belief that is not based on reason or scientific thinking and that explains the causes for events in ways that are connected to magic:


    (Definition of “superstition” from the Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)

    That definition does not fit athiesm but perfectly fits belief in god. Perhaps you need a different word.
     
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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
     
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    No, you have to be quite bigoted and stupid to make blanket statements like yours.
     
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    I believe Religion is for the depressed and feint of heart, dealing with an existential crisis my entire life (depression) I can under stand why some would stop and simply choose to believe and abide by a god, albeit not to the fullest extent that the pioneers of these religions would prefer, I can see how soulful it could make someone and how being part of a community can make you feel empowered, but their depression is where most of the christian victim mentality comes from, i'd say the only legitimate stupidity in the religious community comes from the religious terrorists, if your soul is already clean and saved why force other people into it, what makes them feel its their duty to make others suffer because they don't believe (be it children or actual terrorism)
     
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    Zealous Atheism can be just as bad as religion. They may use scientific concepts to establish a baseline to their beliefs but then they deviate from science drastically and 'believe' they do. As an example, the many worlds concept.

    Agnostic Atheists are much more skeptical of belief and are much more reliant on evidence and willing to accept that there are things they don't or cannot know.

    The first type of atheism is more arrogant and more likely to demean a person's faith in order to elevate their own ego as being more intelligent and superior.
    The second is more respectful to beliefs but is too skeptical of them to fully reject them or accept them.
     
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    You know this is true you want to see my real fear some aliens will send down one agent, backed by technologies we can't comprehend to pretend to be The Messiah and do signs and wonders that we can't explain and you know 80% of the planet will sniff after them like dogs believing and doing what they say and we who will defy this and say its likely an alien trick since its far more plausible and fringe religious groups who will shout anti-god being will refuse and become the targets. While the ETs take over. Faith is good at bending common people to their will when its inspired and that's why its dangerous.

    So no I don't trust faith, systems of faith or largely those who lead them the followers are less a threat and largely its not their fault either they are poor and ignorant, or brainwashed into the cult from a baby or surrounded by a society bottom to top immersed in religious dogma and if they deviate they can go to prison or die - Saudi Arabia would kill me for what I believe is true because we are in the long run a threat to their power. Its not hate but pity that many are so deluded and/or lack options to believe the unproven and unbelievable that I have. As for religious leaders I'm convinced many think its BS but have nothing else so use it to make a living or worse know its BS and abuse it to gain power, and some poor leaders are as deluded as the rest of them.

    But with half the world in poverty and some in deep poverty I will reinforce the its better for them likely and many are working to hard to pose a threat and grasping onto faith is better than nothing which is what they face in this world. Above that the rest of the working people are to busy to bother with working on understanding their religion. Religions don't help this much.
     
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    Sorry that is not a source. That is just the same silly chart with no attribution. In fact if you go to the only link on that source which is Wikipedia you find the following

    A meta-analysis found a negative correlation between intelligence quotient (IQ) and religiosity for western societies. The correlation was suggested to be a result of nonconformity, more cognitive and less intuitive thinking styles among the less religious, and less of a need for religion as a coping mechanism.[4] Some studies have shown a correlation between national average IQ and levels of atheism in society,[5] although others have questioned whether any correlations are due to a complex range of social, economic and historical factors, which interact with religion and IQ in different ways.[6] Others argue that any differences in national IQ and levels of atheism are not necessarily due to levels of religiosity or nonreligiosity, but are correlated with economic, educational, environmental, and social factors.[7] Less developed and poorer countries tend to be more religious, perhaps because religions play a more active social, moral and cultural role in those countries.[8]

    Or to put it simply the higher the IQ the less likely religious beliefs.
     
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    RE: Atheism is for intelligent people, religion for the rest - debate.
    ※→ CourtJester, et al,

    Yes I agree.

    (COMMENT)

    I think the Polls and Surveys listed in Posting #2 supports that.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Just to throw some wood on the fire.

    Some Athiests annoy me in the same way evangelicals do. They both interpret religion literally, which a supreme stupidity in the first place. If you haven't noticed from our history, humans are pretty damn good storytellers.

    In this case what is the difference? Both accept a very simplistic interpretation of philosophical text.

    There is no intellectual influence on a belief of god or no god. I've met Christians who I can talk to at great length about our personal interpretations of the text, and I've met atheists who just repeat the crap Sam Harris puts out.

    It's all about the individual. That is what any belief system is for, not for the leeches to make money off of clay people.
     
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    Religion varies by region and era.

    Atheism, on the other hand, does not. And this says a lot. :)
     
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    As someone who attended religious school as a child and its attempted indoctrination, when I grew up I arrived at the same conclusion as this guy:



    But that's just me and Carlin.
     
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