Attention Haley Contributors, Trump doesn't want your Vote

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  1. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    While the presidential primaries were going on, Trump posted the following on True Social.

    “Anybody that makes a ‘Contribution’ to Birdbrain, from this moment forth, will be permanently barred from the MAGA camp,” Trump wrote. “We don’t want them, and will not accept them, because we Put America First, and ALWAYS WILL!”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/24/trump-preemptively-rejects-haley-donor-money-00137752

    I'm fairly certain that Joe Biden would relish your vote. Also, he won't call anybody "Birdbrain". He would not only like the votes of contributors, he would like the votes of all Haley voters.
     
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    The GOP in 2024 is like professional wrestling.

    Heels and faces

    Anyone not faithful to Trump is a heel.
    and a heel can become a face in a turn with a predictable kayfabe.

    AND
    Just like in wrestling when the heel becomes a face...the rubes cheer their butts off.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The question is, will those Haley donors now donate to Biden? Back in 2022, the midterms, some huge republican donors refused to donate to Trump chosen candidates. Candidates such as Cameron, Masters, Walker, Diehl, Cox, Laxalt, Oz, Bolduc, Tshibaka, Palin, Lake, Schmidt, Dixon, Mastriano plus some I can’t remember all lost. Whether this was because they lack money or due to independents thinking they were too extreme, a lot of independents were anti-Trump also can be debated. But all of those I mentioned lost the independent vote. But those normal republican donors didn’t donate to the democrats even though they were anti-Trump.

    How much money these lifelong Republicans would donate to Biden if they do remains to be seen. Money isn’t a Biden problem.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-campaign-fundraising-numbers-f365b31b5c82e4134c103a436d032c26

    How most Americans, especially independents view Biden is. 55.3% of all Americans view Biden negatively or unfavorably vs. 54.0% for Trump. But among independents Biden is viewed 63% negatively/unfavorably vs. 53% for Trump.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/other/FavorabilityRatingsPoliticalLeaders.html
     
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    And there it is.
    Haley supporters are not going to flock to Brandon and vote for him.
    Haley supporters, unlike the two alternatives, are patriots first.
    They will vote what they see as best for the country.
    They will vote against brandon.
    And reluctantly for Trump.
    Because they know, as bad as Trump might be, Brandon is so very much worse.

    Open borders.
    Debt.
    Inflation.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have a number of friends who are ultra-liberal, and they think unfavorably of Biden. Some of them wanted Biden to expand the Supreme Court when the DEMs had control of all branches from 2020-2021. They are not happy with Biden, but when push comes to shove, they won't vote for Trump
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're right, Haley supporters aren't going to vote for Brandon.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. It’s being anti-Trump that going to drive democrats to the polls, not being for Biden. 41% of Democrats say they’re voting against Trump, 58% for Biden. For Republicans it’s 69% voting for Trump, 29% against Biden.


    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_Ba6mR1n.pdf


    The democrats are lacking in enthusiasm about voting this year to the republicans. 55% of democrats are extremely or very enthusiastic about voting vs. 63% for the republicans. Independents aren’t enthusiastic at all as they dislike and don’t want neither major party candidate as their next president. Only 26% are extremely or very enthusiastic, 61% are not too (19%) or not at all enthusiastic (42%) about voting in this rematch. Which I think is very important as independents went for Biden 54-41 over Trump in 2020. If lack of enthusiasm and the unwantedness of independents for both major party candidates causes independents to stay home and not vote, that would be trouble for Biden. It’s showing in the polls, Trump has a 2.3-point lead today over Biden, on 25 Mar 2020 Biden had a 7.0-point lead. Biden never trailed at all during 2020. Trump has lead Biden since September of last year this time around.


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2020/trump-vs-biden


    One other note, 15% of all Americans are planning on voting third party, against both. This is without the no label party being taken into consideration. Only 1.7% voted third party in 2020.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Biden has been marginally ahead of Trump in some of the latest polls - I read 8 poll had Biden leading within margin of error. It's neck-and-neck right now. Justified or not, Biden is definitely hurt more by the age-factor. I believe the debate(s) will change that, as Trump is a terrible debator. In 2019, after the debate, my Republicans friends said WTF was that?
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I go by RCP averages of all the recent polls when possible.

    Two candidate race - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden

    Five candidate race - https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein

    The age factor certainly plays into this.

    73% of all registered voters believe Biden is too old to be effective, in turn revealing spreading concerns about the 81-year-old president’s mental competency. In comparison with Biden, 42% of all registered voters believe Trump is just too old to be an effective president.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/03/poll-biden-too-old

    But I think it also has more to do with how folks view Biden’s job performance, especially independents.

    Overall job performance - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

    Biden’s job approval on the issues - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues

    I think the bottom line is most Americans don’t want this rematch period. To the question - Do you think if Joe Biden and Donald Trump are the nominees of their parties that the country needs another alternative or that this is a good choice for the voters? 62% answered this country needs another choice other than Trump and Biden, 38% state Trump and Biden are good enough choices. There’s a lot more in this poll to include the age issue.

    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/HHP_Mar2024_KeyResults.pdf

    As for the debates, the RNC withdrew from the bipartisan committee. I doubt there will be any.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/14/politics/rnc-withdraws-from-presidential-debates/index.html
     
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    That goes hand in hand with the loyalty pledges, "rooting out the vermin" etc tribalism. He never intends to be everyone's president, but only those who swear loyalty to him.
     
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    I know the Right will hate it when I say this, but he really is speaking like Hitler or Stalin now.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Who's Brandon?
    1. Trump blocked the Bipartisan Senate border deal. Sen. James Lankford (R-OK) called it "The most comprehensive border legislation in the history of the US". Trump doesn't care about Americans. He just cares about himself. He is responsible for all the illegal immigrants and fentanyl that comes over the border in 2024.
    2. Trump's debt was $8 Trillion over 4 years. Despite having to deal with more daily interest due to Trump's debt, Biden's debt is projected to come in at $7 Trillion.
    3. Biden has done a great job bringing down inflation to a reasonable level. Under his leadership, the US did better with inflation than every other nation after COVID and the Russian aggression war.
     
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    Trump didn't even have a vote on that bill.
    And it wasn't a border security bill, it was a "pay ukraine so they'll pay the big guy" bill.
    Typical liberal: blame a conservative, blame the RNC or ideally blame trump. Under no circumstance accept responsibility.
    Trumps debt didn't take off until covid. Brandons debt hasn't missed a lick since he took office.
    Your bloviation about inflation is laughable. Even now, today, inlation remains higher than it was under trump or, for that matter, obama.

    You're of course welcome to vote for brandon.
    Don't attack me when I don't.
     
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    and it is the VOTE that matters. Opinions are based on many factors, most of them subjective.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    You probably missed this from one of the most Conservative Senators in the body.:


    Trump is responsible! His MAGA agenda is actually Make America Hate Again.

    And you're wrong about Trump's debt. Better look it up.
     
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