Austin Orders Renaming of Bases that Honor Confederate Rebels

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry you have higher regard for those who fought against our country than those who fought for it. I don't share that belief. Nor would I compare a war hero to a vegetable.

    I grew up around white supremacists. Your claim here is as true as your claim is that a war hero is a cabbage.
     
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    Now look who's pretending like they can't read.
     
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    Which, again, entirely misses the point of why they were named for those generals. I know, you don't understand this even though it was explained to you. Do you know what the word Cavazos means? Sure, it's dude's last name, but it has a meaning. Cabbage. Or a waterhouse built on stilts. Or did that escape you as well? So, in an effort to virtue signal, democrats simply screwed the proverbial pooch, again, by not vetting this. Why not choose Colin Powell? Fort Powell has a nice ring to it. But no. We get an unpronounceable name with a sketchy translation instead...

    I think that childhood of yours rubbed off on you.
     
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    I've read just fine. You just keep coming up with fake arguments. Notice how you couldn't address anything? Probably just upset that I caught your shell game of trying to replace the Confederate flag with the battle flag.
     
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    The base will be named after the war hero. Not the cabbage. But keep belittling him because you prefer the traitor. And I wrote to Powell asking him to run for president and would be more than fine with it being named after him. I'm sorry your inability to pronounce an easily-pronounceable name prevents you from acknowledging this man's service. But you are correct about my childhood rubbing off on me, which is why I keep battling neo-Confederate nonsense.

    Also, since this is apparently your first time encountering the concept, let me let you in on a little secret: peoples' last names often either include or are words that have other meanings.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    @drluggit Why should we keep naming a fort after a loose-fitting piece of cloth used to cover one's face/head? Why should we name it after this instead of after a cabbage

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    You should ask the democrats who named it that.....
     
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    It was named by the DoD (the War Department) not by politicians. But I appreciate your eagerness to run away and hide from the question.
     
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    Military bases are generally named after people who inspire confidence and showed skill in battle and earned the respect of the American military. Fort Apache, for example, was named after the Apache because they fought fiercely and skillfully and taught the US Army through painful experience a bit about unconventional warfare (although that included some brutal tactics that would clearly be "over the line" for Americans).

    Fort Stuart was named after Confederate cavalry general J.E.B. Stuart, whose daring and skill earned the respect of Union and Confederate military and civilian alike. Growing up, Stuart was a hero to us. It had nothing to do with slavery, and everything to do with Stuart running rings (literally) around the Union. Same for Robert E. Lee.

    Base names are to inspire soldiers. I can tell you the sailors on the U.S.S. Harvey Milk are not proud to tell people what ship they serve on, a lot of them hate to get orders to that floating embarrassment. Chiefs pull strings to avoid it. What is the US Navy trying to inspire its sailors to do by naming a ship after a gay pedophile?

    People need to understand that this renaming of ships and bases has nothing to do with "naming bases after the nations enemies". It's all part of erasing history and destroying the foundations that make a nation. Democrats will rename bases in the most insulting manner possible. Right now they are making somewhat reasonable name changes (Cavazos is a combat veteran and honourable soldier), but that will change. They will push the envelope as far as they can. The objective is to demotivate soldiers, make them ashamed of their history.
     
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    Yes, rather than people who shot the American military. You're finally learning.
     
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    You might want to double-check that history there, bud.
     
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    You refuse to understand, but I expect that from someone who is still wrapped in white robes.

    oh by the way, learn to read the entire post. You might learn something (don’t let the possibility of learning scare you off)
     
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    I stopped when I got to the first nonsensical, self-contradictory garbage. But we can talk about your false claims about Fort Apache too, if you'd like.
     
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    Then you really don't understand the process, or know the truth. Well, at least you're on record. LOL...
     
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    Whatever you need to use to dodge and keep hiding. At least you made it through this one without pretending that you don't know how homonyms work.
     
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    Apology accepted...
     
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    Admission that you failed to read acknowledged.
     
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    Whats most interesting is that the people who suffered the most - those alive during the Civil War - were able to forgive the other side, shake hands and move on. Grant in a stroke of genius (or divine intervention) realized he had to welcome Southerners back with open arms and forgive, no grudges, or there would never be reconciliation and never be a unified nation.

    But today people who gain or suffer nothing over the issue are filled with hate and want to erase history, both good and bad. People who are so manipulated and blinded by political forces they want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. People who want to undo what Grant accomplished, and whose objective is the destruction of the nation.

    So you can stop with your sham rah rah America, its obvious where you fall in this scheme.
     
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    Welcoming Southerners back is not the same as NAMING OUR MILITARY BASES AFTER OUR MILITARY ENEMIES. Learn the difference. A child can understand this.

    Why are you changing the subject to Grant? Grand didn't want to destroy our nation.

    Naming US military bases after US military figures isn't "sham rah rah America." It's just the ability to rub two brain cells together.
     
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    Hey, thanks, I did check. Camp Apache was named before hostilities with the Apache broke out, and hostilities were not with all Apache tribes (some led by Geronimo). Years later it was officially designated Fort Apache. By why it was named "Apache" is not clear.

    Apache's were clearly the enemy of the USA, fought against and killed Americans both military and civilian.

    But some Apache helped the US military fight other Apache.

    So I have to admit that Fort Apache was not a good example. But it changes nothing regarding my arguement.
     
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    Some were enemies and some were allies. Fort Apache was named for the allies.

    Can you think of any example of a US military fort being named after US military enemies except for the Confederate traitors?
     
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    Yet teh people who fought the CIvil War - you know, the war in which brother fought brother - and suffered directly were able to forgive and stop seeing their neighbors as enemies. Most of those bases named after Confederates were named in 1917-1919 during WW1, there were many Civil War verterans still alive at that time and many, many people who were alive and suffered during the 1860's.

    They didn't have a problem with the names. Why can't you, a person so far removed from the events and consequences the entire issue is irrelevant, get over those events?


    Because as I just re-stated, the people who were hurt the most were able to grant amnesty and welcome their fellow neighbors. Grant set the tone at Appomattox. Thats why Grant is such a noble figure in US history, he wasn't much of a general (just tenacious), not a scholar, not the smartest by far, he wasn't much of a father or husband or businessman, but at that day at Appomattox he rose above it all and did something remarkable.

    And you, who suffered nothing and paid nothing, are more upset over the issue than those who actually paid a price.

    I didn't write naming military bases was "sham rah rah America", I wrote your attitude about the issue was "sham rah rah America". Grant was a true American, he welcomed his brothers back into the family (and his wife's cousin was Confederate General James Longstreet). You hold a grudge that isn't even yours to hold.
     
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    Yet all I'm suggesting is that we name military bases after US military heroes and not our enemies.

    You can stop holding a grudge against someone without naming your bases after them. But your own admission, that's what we had been doing for decades, so even you admit that your excuse is bull ****.
     
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    Confederate traitors? And I suppose all the people in southern states are traitors? Unlike the magnanimous Grant, you wish they had all been shackled and sent to concentration camps awaiting their execution? Wipe out the population of every state, right?

    You see, for you its not about some high moral issue of naming bases, you actually do hate Southern people.
     
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    Nope. Try reading.

    Your overactive imagination is a poor substitute for reading. Try reading.

    Again, a failure to read. I am Southern, plenty of Southerners were against the Confederacy, and 4-5 years of the Confederacy does NOT represent the entire South. Try thinking.
     

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