Australia: Muslim screaming “Allahu akbar” plows car into pedestrians, cops say not t

Police in Qld have to sign a disclaimer before they are sworn in, absolving the Commissioner (read here the Government) from any liability for an individual officers actions. If you dont sign, you dont get sworn in.
I know of a person who was dismissed (stitched up) from the Public Service because he would not sign a disclaimer, which was introduced into that department several years ago. Its all about saving the Governments (State and Federal) money and placing the responsibility for their actions onto each public servant individually.
That is why people do not wish to join the QPS. If they err in their duties, they can be sued individually.
Hence the reason for the QPS "no pursuit" policy.
The union decided years ago, that to protect officers from law suits ( if, say, they accidentally killed a child
riding a bicycle during a pursuit) they would implement a "no pursuit" policy and attempt to arrest offenders
by other means.
Public servants were once employed in a "master/servant" contract. Not any more. Youre on your own buddy.
The Vic Police, like all other state Police are just covering their @rses so as they dont get sued.
Therefore they call it "non terrorist"related in this case.

 

Maybe they don't want to scare the populace after they confiscated all their guns?

 

sounds like he was an anti-gay nutcase.... but I wont blame all anti-gay people

 

if true he was a Muslim religious terrorist, same as Christian religious terrorists... they are all evil... but not all Muslims or Christians are evil....

 

I'm seeing a lot of references to another state other than Victoria & absolutely NOTHING about why it would make a difference if this was an incidence of terrorism or a mentally ill ice addict.

Please point to something that is specifically relevant to both Victoria & to the issue of terrorism, as opposed to any other incident.

 

Still waiting for some evidence. You have one guy in a crowd of hundreds. Why has on one else come forward to corroborate? They all heard the guy.

As for the rest, you clearly don't understand what actually happened. If he wanted to drive into a crowd why not drive into the huge crowd where he was doing burnouts? It was even in front of a Church and lots of people with phone cameras. A perfect mass casualty attack. He could have killed dozens. Instead he drives two blocks, tries to turn before the pedestrian mall and then keeps going for another few blocks. Why not turn back into the mall & kill more? Looks like he was trying to avoid police.

The only one striking out here is you with your deliberate cherry picking of facts. You are the one striking out.

 

He also claimed he had become a Yazidi. The day before he killed these people he said this:

And this:

Is it normal for Muslim converts to tell people they are 'born again' and that people should 'read the bible' (no mention of the Koran). Do Muslim converts normally refer to the 10 commandments & God (not Allah)? Do they tell people they are Yazidi?

You seem to think you are an expert. I've provided what he said the day before he attacked his own family & then killed 4 people. Show me where it indicates he is a Muslim.

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I think thats wise. We shouldn't assume all people who rant against homosexuals are murderers just because this guy was.

 

allahu akbar isn't English.

 

Cant you connect the dots here old mate.
BTW why are defending this pos so incessantly..you say you are not a muslim, but taqiyya covers that, doesnt it...

 

No, but the first language of the offender is & the first language of the guy who claims he heard it isn't. The offender speaks with an Australian accent, and I'm betting it is not the type you are used to hearing - nothing like Crocodile Dundee, Hugh Jackman or that idiot Croc wrestler. I doubt this Italian tourist has had much experience with it either. Then throw in the fact that the guy was very possibly on drugs - he certainly hadn't slept in a long time. So, he might not have been saying anything that even made sense in English.

I wouldn't back myself to be 100% sure that I could tell what he was saying, and I have heard this accent all my life. I certainly wouldn't back a native English speaker who wasn't familiar with the accent, let alone someone whose first language is Italian.

Can you see the possibility that a guy whose first language is not English & who isn't familiar with a difficult accent might hear something shouted at a crowded, noisy intersection & think it was something other than what was said? Do you understand that in the absence of any corroboration from the hundreds who were also present - some closer than this guy - that it is the most likely explanation.

You should know that individual witnesses in stressful situations frequently make mistakes, even under more ideal conditions than this. Trial lawyers rely on it. So do 9/11 'Truthers' & other conspiracy theorists. The one or two people who believe they saw or heard something outweigh the hundreds who saw or heard it correctly but don't fit the conspiracy.

If a bunch of people heard this guy screaming about Allah they would have been all over the radio & TV last night. I know my city & its people, they would have flooded the airwaves and there would have been an audience just waiting to believe them. So far this guy is the only one, which tells me he misheard something that the guy shouted. Happens all the time, its just this time people WANT this guy to be a Muslim against a mountain of evidence that he isn't (read the Facebook posts).

 

Youre scraping the bottom of the barrel old mate if youre referring to Steve Irwin as an idiot.
Time to get back to reading your koran, I think...

 

You haven't provided any dots, just a bunch of 'because I said'.

As for this 'POS', he can die slowly for all I care. Had this happened 5 minutes earlier my Mother & two young family members could have been killed. If I had joined them, as planned, I would have been in the exact place this happened at the exact time this happened. I have friends who saw dead & dying people yesterday & others who could easily have been killed.

Unlike you & every other sad case here, this is REAL for me. This is my home & these are places I frequent. You can lie & attack me all you want, but this will never be real to you. Its just another story you can make fit your delusional view of the world. You will never cry for the victims because they aren't real people to you, just abstract names you can manipulate for your own sad ends.

You only pretend to care as long as you can pretend a Muslim killed them. You won't give them a second thought. I will have to think about them every time I pass the places where they died.

That is why someone who actually cares about this needs to tell the TRUTH, because you & all the other fanatics here don't give a toss about it. Its just a word to be thrown around.

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and your trolling is running out of steam. Either you know you are lying or you are too far gone to know the difference.

 

Nevertheless, a very sad incident for the people of Australia and they have to bundle together and keep themselves strong. It's a beautiful country, great cultural experiences. Don't let this one incident bring you down. America's with you.

 

Youd know mohammed.

 

Thank you for a rare piece of humanity among the human sewage on this thread.

We are a city in mourning today. it is a strange feeling, but we will be OK. I'm actually lucky that I will be seeing my brother and his kids tonight. We are going to go out to a cricket match at our beloved Melbourne Cricket Ground & hopefully 50,000 others will too. Being with other Melbournians is the perfect thing to do.

We won't let one madman get us down. he can rot while we celebrate the things that make us such a great city.

 

I always wanted to visit Australia. As I recall, only thing I have to get used to, is driving on the other side of the road(Well, I don't drive so I'd be using public transportation, or if I get my own limo driver lol.) So I guess "seeing" cars on the other side of the road. But I also recall a strong English community in Australia, so the transition wouldn't be all that difficult at all.

But yeah, using a tragedy as a political prop is wrong, even if it benefited me personally I still wouldn't use it. Crimes are not meant to be political, they're just hideous.

 

Fortunately, this was an isolated incident.

This has never happened before and Islam is not at war with the West.

 

You're interpretation of 'denial' is incorrect. You seem concerned there is a false accusation of the perp being a Muslim crime and that he may not have been shouting allah ackbar as some claim.

But, ultimately, what does it matter? It's not as though Muslims aren't driving vehicles into crowds of people while shouting allah ackbar, or mowing down innocents in restaurants, theaters and transportation centers. If it is one more or less terrorist crime committed by a Muslim does it really matter? Will it really harm their reputation one way or another?

 

Nothing in the Bible states we will all be reborn into one religion. I challenge you to find that direct quote in it.

Do you even realize that Muslims call Christians people of the book? Mohammad based his messed up religion in part on Christianity and Judaism so it would be more easily accepted when he wasn't killing people to force them to convert.

Try again mate.

Is it normal for Christian converts call themselves Greek Islamic Kurdish? Do you even hear how ridiculous that sounds?

No I just follow the facts and eye witness testimony unlike you.

What Christian calls unbelievers dogs? Please, show us that group.

Shouting Allu Ackbar is also a pretty good indication. But oh that's right, you don't believe the witness and of course have nothing but your ignorance to base that on.

This guy telling his audience which he obviously knew wasn't Islamic to read the Bible is certainly not an endorsement of him being a Christian. Does he ever mention Jesus? Nope. Does he mention forgiveness? Nope.

I see you also ran from the fact his own friend said he recently converted to Islam.

You don't have a single article or piece of evidence proving he's a Christian other than mentioning the Bible which is laughable to say the least.

You deny an eye witness' own testimony on what he yelled based on your own bias.

You ignore a friend's own account he recently converted to Islam.

You ignore the attack itself is a mirror of other Islamic terrorist attacks on civilians.

What is this obsession of yours to placate to Islamic terrorism? What fear do you have to admitting the reality of all the evidence we have?

I must admit though. Its amusing watching you trying in vain to deny the obvious.

But go ahead and keep denying it. Grab a fork. I'll warm up the crow.

 

Either the truth matters or it doesn't. I don't like seeing people use a tragedy in my town involving people I know to tell lies & push their political barrows. It is repulsive. I don't care about the 'reputation' of Muslims, I care about the truth of this event and I care about people misrepresenting that truth.

Would you want people misrepresenting a tragedy in your city for a few internet debating points? If you would be fine with that they we are both wasting our time here.

The issue of Islamic terrorism is very real & very serious. It warrants a serious, truthful discussion. It isn't the issue here, so its the wrong discussion to have.

Mental illness is very real & very serious. It warrants a serious, truthful discussion. It may be an issue here, so it is a discussion that needs to be had.

Drugs are an even more serious issue in my society. At least 2 dozen people overdosed within a short walk from my house in the past year - more then the total number of Australians killed by terrorism in 116 years. That also may have a direct bearing on these events and it warrants a serious, truthful discussion.

Sadly most of the posts on this thread have offered lies, distortions and half truths. Claiming this is something it is not means that the real issue here - drugs and mental health - gets ignored. Whether or not that matters to you, it most certainly matters to me.

 

The truth doesn't matter to you or you wouldn't deny the eye witness testimony or his own friend saying he was a recent convert to Islam.

You are an excuse machine placating to Islamic terrorism trying in vain to cover up the truth. Your motivations are unknown but your denial is unmistakable.

You think drugs are a bigger problem? Tell that to the 4 of your countrymen who were murdered and the 15 injured.


The facts on our side have an eye witness testimony to him shouting Allu Ackbar.

His own friend saying he was a recent convert to Islam

The attack itself mirroring other recent Islamic terrorist attacks.


And you've got...he mentioned the Bible. Wow, you sure have us there.

Your denial is sickening.

 

Muslims should certainly care about their reputation if they want to take their place in the civilized world.

Your sympathy seems to lie more in the idea of whether this perp was a Muslim or not rather than for those who were murdered. My concern is with the carnage this guy caused, and if he is just another Muslim terrorist then we can add it to that very long list.

What's to discuss? Those Muslims who set out to deliberately murder innocent men women and children, and those who defend them, are worse than the pigs they despise.

I doubt you're a professional in the mental health field so, unless you had previous contact with this murderer, your opinions on the subject are of little interest.

Maybe, but this is not a conversation on drugs.

Anyone who hollers allah ackbar probably has mental health issues.

 

Jesus the number of times we hear that! If they're on the police radar wtf don't they do something about if before they commit an atrocity. No wonder they commit so many - they don't fear the consequences. We must be effing mad!

 

Welcome to reality.

 

Not new. Police in Australia like the UK are independent officers. The law is settled on that. Public servants are employees. Police are too but in the discharge of their office they are independent and independently accountable.