Australia, the UN, and Refugees

"In Iraq and Afghanistan, there are no queues for people to jump. Australia has no diplomatic representation in these countries and supports the International coalition of nations who continue to oppose these regimes and support sanctions against them. Therefore, there is no standard refugee process where people wait in line to have their applications considered."
http://www.phaa.net.au/documents/int_health_asylum_seekers.pdf

"The concept of an orderly queue does not accord with the reality of the asylum process."http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/b...sylumFacts.pdf

"In the case of asylum seekers Ms Gillard, Mr Abbott and others know full-well there is no queue, there has never been one and there never will be one."

"The use of the ‘queue’ by politicians and the media in the context of asylum seekers is a case of what George Orwell described in his masterful expose of propaganda 198. “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed,” the ever perceptive Orwell wrote."

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2318586.html


There is no "proper queue". None.

Why do you keep pretending that there is?

 

Bring back the Howard pacific solution. It STOPPED the boats.

 

It's a long and winding, tortuorus queue, beyond anybody's reasonable doubt.

Only fools, and legal beagles who thrive on impending Government policy, would throw doubt on its existence.

 

What part of this don't you understand?

If you point out the areas you're having trouble with I'll be glad to explain it for you.

It's poitless to keep pretending there is a queue when it doesn't exist. Unless of course, you can show us all where it is.

 

And here's the definition of a queue from 'The Drum':

'A queue is a symbol of orderliness, security and equality.'

He obviously hasn't had an experience in too many queues. I wonder if those thousands of people in Eygpt last year or those starving Somalians, waiting desperately in line for bread, ever considered that they were not really in a queue. I wonder what they would have called it, a bun fight, a struggle, perhaps? Yes that's right, anything but a queue!

 

"In its 2009-10 report, the Department of Immigration identified Afghanistan as the country from where most people seek asylum in Australia."

"In countries like Afghanistan, or Iraq, or many others, there is no standard refugee process where people wait in line to have their applications assessed.

Thus, there are no queues to jump."

http://www.upstart.net.au/2011/05/09/rhetoric-on-cue/

 

"There is no queue. Those who can escape persecution do so. According to
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, ‘Everyone has the right to seek
and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution’. There is no such
thing as an illegal asylum seeker, however they arrive, with or without
documentation."

http://www.refugeeaction.org/downloads/Myths_and_Facts2010.pdf

 

There are 1000's of UN verified refugees waiting for their chance to come here.. They are the ones we should be taking, not those that are "economic refugees" that can afford to pay USD 10k for a boat ride in the attempt to circumvent the system. What makes those that do the wrong thing MORE important than those that do the right thing?

 

Are you a Legal Beagle or the 'other' mentioned in my post?

And I am sorry I meant to state in a previous post 'impeding Government policy'. I was so surprised that no one noticed the mistake, especialy by those whose arguments are soley based on proper (their definition of course) use of the English language. It usually means they are totally bereft of rational arguments.

 

"Myth1. Boat People are Queue Jumpers
Fact: In Iraq and Afghanistan, there are no queues for people to jump."

http://www.stpaulsbeaconsfield.org.au/resourc/links/asylum.html

 

You either do not understand the English language (is it your first language?) or you prefer to play with words to suit your political ends.

There is a queue to get into Australia, and anyone who doubts, either doesn't understand the English languauge or prefers to engage in 'polly' waffle.

 

BUT they dont come straight from those countries to here do they..... There are countries they pass through that they could stop and claim refugee status but they CHOOSE not to. They decide to FORCE themselves upon us and by doing so put forward their point of view that they are more important than those that have chosen to try the RIGHT way.


We should turn back ALL boats but INCREASE our intake of legit refugees.

 

Asylum seekers are using the "RIGHT way". No queue exists.

The majority of asylum seekers are legitimate.

"ALMOST all asylum-seekers arriving in Australia waters over the past three years have had their refugee status applications approved, ...

Figures released under Freedom of Information laws show that the Immigration Department approved 94 per cent of all refugee status claims ... "


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226011619093

 

Show me the queue.

An address to submit an application, anything.

Show us all where this mythical queue actually starts. We're all waiting ...


"There is no queue. Those who can escape persecution do so. According to
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, ‘Everyone has the right to seek
and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution’. There is no such
thing as an illegal asylum seeker, however they arrive, with or without
documentation."

http://www.refugeeaction.org/downloa..._Facts2010.pdf

 

Not playing with anything, I'm merely presenting the facts.

It's purely objective: I have no political goal.


"There are only two Australian diplomats in the Afghan capital, Kabul, staffing an embassy that exists in name only, and they can't process visa applications."

"In brief, there is no queue," says Maria Psihogios-Billington, a lawyer with the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre in Melbourne"

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/no-queue-for-afghans-to-jump-20090418-aaur.html#ixzz1ccdt0Bt2

 

Hard to answer such puerile and senseless questions :

As For : "1. why is it "pathetic"?"
How many people within striking distance, do you think would love to immigrate to Australia? Two billion? Or more? Silly Sarah has stated that we should provide safe passage for them, and you don`t see any flaws in her thinking? Anyone who can`t see the obvious, isn`t capable of understanding simple explanations either.

The simple fact is that the Howard govt did stop boats, no amount of dodgy "logic", or BS spin can alter the fact. These inept clowns, the ALP / Greens coalition, are directly responsible for creating the conditions that caused this latest sad disaster, and other loss of life at sea.



As for "2. why do you prefer to see people die?"
Just too stupid and dishonest to respond to.

 

Tell us what "goal" means again while you are lecturing us on the English language, Lol.

 

It winds its way from Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq, Indonesia etc etc.

Anyone who can't see it, obviously do not want to see it,or worse ,they are blind either physically of politically. Take your pick.

 

Now that would be an independent voice woudn't it?:

"says Maria Psihogios-Billington, a lawyer with the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre in Melbourne".

What a joke!

 

I find it sickening that "people" are content to play silly little word games with such a serious issue. I also agree that Australia simply can`t take any significant numbers of the people who would love to come here, without becoming a hell hole itself. Like the carbon tax, we haven`t the abillity to make any sensible difference. There are those shallow thinkers, and those who would love to see this country destroyed, who don`t see the obvious, when it`s right in front of them.

 

LOL Incorrect, as usaul. She said no such thing.

She was talking about asylum seekers. Do you understand the difference between an asylum seeker and someone just wishing to immigrate to another country? No, I didn't think so.

 

Coming from someone who doesn't understand what an asylum seeker is, that's pretty funny

 

You can see it from your house, can you? LOL


"In Iraq and Afghanistan, there are no queues for people to jump. Australia has no diplomatic representation in these countries and supports the International coalition of nations who continue to oppose these regimes and support sanctions against them."

 

No queue, doesnt exist except as a fabrication in far right "minds".

 

The far queue