Automobile breathalizers and cell phone jammers

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Required Automobile breathalizers and cell phone jammers?

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are a lot of control freaks including on the forum that want the government to mandate everything and anything that might make people safer. DUI and texting/cell phone use causes a lot of horrific crippling and deadly accidents.

    Should the government require new vehicles to not be able to start unless the driver blows into a breathalizer and unless a car is in park there is an automatic cell/Iphone jammer that turns on.

    Do you think this should be required for new vehicles?
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I voted "No" not only because of too much government intrusion but those same safety devices are just something else to malfunction
     
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    I've dealt with ignition interlocks, the false positive rate is significant, the basic failure rate is significant. Some people get to the point where they hesitate to go anywhere because they are worried they will get stuck with a locked car. The technology is not very good. So "no" to ignition interlocks.

    Texting is extremely dangerous because it takes the drivers eyes off the road for an extended period of time.

    But talking on the phone is not dangerous, finding and dialing the number is the dangerous part. Studies show that hands-free phones in cars do not increase the risk of an accident. And now modern cars have the cell phone as in integral part of the system, allowing the driver via voice command to play music or call and talk to people. Since cell phones have built in navigation which can be access hands-free and displayed on the car dash, that function is replacing the car internal navigation function.

    So no to cell phone jammers.
     
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    Bear513 Banned

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    That's funny not the studies I have seen, even my personal experience I have to pull over to talk to someone on the phone.



    https://www.google.com/amp/www.inde...-hands-free-new-study-finds-a7070486.html?amp


    Talking while driving is incredibly dangerous, even when using hands-free, new study finds
     
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    The biggest study of cell phone use was the On-Star study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19000076 The study you cite used driving simulators, the On Star study is real world. On-Star records data even when the car owner does not have a subscription, some of the data it records is the time of air bag deployment and cell phone use.

    The On Star study used data from an average of 323,994 drivers per month over 30 months - its a huge study. It concluded:

    We conclude that for personal conversations using a hands-free embedded device the risk of an airbag crash is somewhere in a range from a moderately lower risk to a risk near that of driving without a recent personal conversation. These results are not consistent with the large increase in crash risk reported in epidemiological studies using the case-crossover method.

    It found that non-hands free cell phone use significantly increased the risk of an accident, hands free cell phone use was actually slightly less dangerous than not using a cell phone at all but the difference was well within the margin of error. Its the act of holding the phone and looking at it to operate it (dial etc) that is dangerous. Talking on a handsfree phone is no different than talking to a passenger.

    As mentioned in the conclusion, the On Star study disagrees with many other studies (such as the one you cite). But all the other studies are artificial, using simulators, or a small number of subjects who are filmed/recorded while driving, or relies on eye witness statements and the drivers statement to determine cell phone use. None come even close to the quality of the On Star study which surreptitiously monitors the drivers behavior in the actual real-world driving environment.
     
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    Lmao so this study was done by on star?



    Ok that's a biased source , I would trust some one having a few beers and driving then someone using a cell.phone, at least they are paying attention and don't want to get pulled over.
     
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    I agree with breathalyzers as part of a punishment for drunk driving (for the first offense). Cellphone jammers are against federal law, so that's a moot point. The latest version of IOS (iphone's operating system) has the default being that the phone can't be used after so many seconds of movement in a car. It can be easily disabled. It's a good idea, but I'm against making it law.
     
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    Interesting that studies have shown that driving while texting accidents increase after it has been made against the law. Why? People text regardless, but after it's made illegal, they try to conceal the texting, which is even more distracting than texting.

    http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskt...ce-crashes-effects-are-slight-crash-increases
     
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    No, federal law can be changed concerning cell phones so the point isn't moot at all.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How would On Star know if someone was on a cell phone?

    Trackers and recorders now being put on all cars is a reason I have no interest in buy any new car.
     
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    I've got a steering wheel button I push, say the name of the person I want to call, and it dials them via bluetooth.

    How is that a distraction to driving and why would I need a cell phone jammer?

    That cell phone jammer would be a great thing to have in an auto accident while you're trying to call 911 and bleeding out.
     
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    No, it was not done by On Star. Its just called the "On Star study".

    The study was done by 2 researchers at Wayne State University School of Medicine. It was published by the National Institutes of Health

    The On Star system collects data from all vehicles whether the vehicle has an active On Star subscription or not. The data includes when the cell phone is in use and when the air bag deploys. The On Star data was anonymized and used in the study.

    The On Star study is the gold standard of studies.

    1- It is completely non-intrusive, drivers act normally. There is no camera or recorder or device for the driver to see that reminds her she is in a study. Drivers were not informed or asked to be in the study.

    2 - it is real world, no simulator, nothing artificial.

    3 - it covers all driving conditions - men & women, night & day, rain/ice/snow/clear, city & highway, rural & urban.

    4- it has a huge number of participants over a 2 1/2 year period.

    5 - it is objective, it does not rely on interviews of drivers or witnesses or police reports.

    Read the link I provided previously.
     
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    Very true. Its not safe, but it was safer when people held their phone above the steering wheel so they could see the road and the phone. Now they try to hide the phone and have to look down.

    You are correct. Education is the answer, not laws.
     

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