Avg McDonald's employee wage: $7.73. Ave hourly wage of McDonald's CEO: $9,274

SOme of you people..............


Are you really (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing that raising the minimum wage would redistribute income? Do you realize we are ALREADY doing that via welfare.

The ONLY difference here is people will be earning the money and getting it from those who are profiting from their labor rather than from tax payers.

 

If someone is forced to pay you more that doesn't mean you earned that money; it means they were forced to pay you more. The raise would also be balanced out by the increased cost of labor. I know people think for some reason that corporations will just take new expenses out of the mountains of gold they sit on but the reality is that the increased costs get passed on to the consumer.

 

THis has been discussed ad naseum. The average increase in prices when the minimum wage has went up 25% or less has been 1% historically in this country.

Now, would you pay 1% more for EVERYTHING you buy during the year in exchange for lower taxes? I sure would.

 

Sounds great but somehow I doubt it would be that simple. I haven't seen any numbers suggesting that an increase in the minimum wage will keep costs low and lower taxes. If it were that simple it would already have been done because there would be no reason not to. That said it's not too hard to find reasons not to:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/04/17/the-record-is-clear-minimum-wage-hikes-destroy-jobs/

Also with increased automation, the increase in technical jobs, and Americans lacking the skills to fill these jobs, we're going to be looking at supporting a lot of people who can't find jobs regardless of wage increase because those jobs won't exist. Increasing the cost of employing people is only going to make automation look that much sweeter. Anyway point is things are about to get a lot worse.

 

Sure, how many people have died trying to escape Cube compared to how many have died trying to escape Detroit? In fact who has ever been prevented under threat of death to leave Detroit?

Dodge noted. But will note that the decline of Kibbutzism and moving towards more individualism proves my point not yours.

Now what communist country would you prefer to live in rather than the USA where not just your income but your wealth is determined by the state. Not voluntary association, a communist government.

 

Exactamundo . Well said .

 

Why do you assume it would lower your taxes? And not everything is effected by a minimum wage increase so cite me a study that shows those businesses that are effect only see a 1% price increase and that net income both in revenue and percent profit were not effected at all.

 

I concede that. But, at one time in this country the government actually had to force companies to pay in US dollars, because many were paying in company script. Does that mean the jobs were only worth the company script but the government MADE companies pay more? Of course it doesn't.

You can argue all you want, but we KNOW that human nature being what it is, there is a role for the government in regulating business.

Some of the people here act is if there is only greed from the poor in this deal. There is not, there is greed on both sides. I want to regulate BOTH of them. Some of you want the rich to be able to be as greedy as they want and (*)(*)(*)(*) the poor.

That isn't good for this country.

 

The "poor" can be as greedy as the value of their labor and their willingness to make it more valuable allow. Government doesn't assist you in being "greedy"

 

once again. the laws of supply and demand do NOT apply to the minimum wage. Not at all, and they haven't ever.

 

DUH............care to actually address what I said now?

 

If it's Duh then why do you and others CONTINUE to claim that the min wage has anything to do with what the job is worth?

 

In the first place you don't know how many people have died trying to escape Cuba, but it is possible to do a statistical extrapolation comparing the number of people trying to leave Cuba to the number of Mexicans trying to escape from good ol' capitalist Mexico.

In the second place, if more Cubans die trying to get to Florida, it's because they have to paddle a farther distance than Detroitians, who only have to cross a river to get into Canada, which they have been doing in order to get underpaid undocumented-immigrant jobs in Canada.

In the third place, I wasn't kidding. We both get lawyers to protect anonymity and they are put in touch with each other. I'll invest the cost of building the website to accept the applications for people in Havana to trade lives with people in Detroit, and we'll see how many people in Havana would like to trade their lives with someone in Detroit versus someone in Detroit wishing to trade their station in life with someone in Havana.

If I win, then you pay me the cost of the production and administration of the website.

No individual person per se, because like when Castro emptied his prisons and shipped them to Florida, it would be good for Detroit if its unemployed could leave, but they don't have any money, so they have to stay huddled in abandoned houses, because if they try hitch-hiking out they'll either freeze to death along the way, or starve to death once they get to wherever, because they'll look like such run-down rats that nobody will give them a job. At least in Cuba, worst-case scenario is you get a job cutting sugar-cane. That doesn't sound like much to someone who can afford to be a Kentuky moonshiner, but it's a lot to someone starving in Detroit.

 

Fiji would be fine.

 

How do you separate the fact that minimum wage means some jobs are paid more than they are worth?

 

I don't have to know the exact number to know they did, specious.

It's because they were willing to risk their lives in a VERY risky act to gain their freedom.

Feel free to go ahead, I have no interest in such a waste of time or money, and yes in fact I believe you are kidding, if you are not then let me know when you have your lawyer set up the website.

Me>> In fact who has ever been prevented under threat of death to leave Detroit?

No per se about it. People are free to come and go in Detroit.

Besides I thought Obama saved Detroit when he was playing kid industrialist.

 

A free market republic.

 

Oh really... and how would you compare that to the number of Mexican's who've died trying to leave their capitalist homeland of Mexico?

If Cubans want to leave Cuba because it's communist, doesn't that mean Mexicans should want to stay in Mexico because it's capitalist? The standard of living of Cuba and Mexico is about the same, so if capitalism is so much more wonderful than communism, then Mexicans should be staying home, and Cubans should not be trying to get into the US for purely financial reasons.

The riskiest part about trying to boat from Cuba to Florida is getting caught by the coastguard, who send them back to Cuba when caught.

Idiologically, but not in reality. What are they supposed to do? Tear down the abandoned homes and use the material to build wagon trains to head west? Go south? Do you know how many people in Detroit originally *came* from the south, because there was nothing there for them?

In any case, you've got a very anachronistic view on how immigration/emmigration works between second/third-world nations and places like the US. Most latinos trying to sneak into the US are from countries supported by Washington, meaning, if the government is firendly to business, then you should be happy to stay in your flea-bitten sh*t-hole and keep picking bananas and coffee.

In the second place, even during the cold war, it wasn't that hard to leave a communist country. China offered the US a couple hundred-million chinese to the US in order to reduce its population, and Washington choked.

Russia would let people leave if they didn't know any state-secrets, so the challenge for Russians wanting to leave was finding a place in the west that would take them, which meant finding a sponsor in most destination nations. Even so, during the 70's, it became an old joke among Russians in Moscow seeing the lines of Russians who'd tried living in the west, and who had to queue up to apply for permission to move back in... they were baffled and depressed by how they couldn't just show up with all their education and be given a job and a place to live, so they went back.

Get with it... the Cold War is over. Now you should be asking yourself how, if the world's economy globalizes so the money gets spread out evenly between all nations, the world will sustain 6 billion people at a middle-class standard of living, when the planet has only enough resources to sustain 1.5 billion at that level, and that's presuming you don't have a 1% class owning half of it.

 

I suspect most people with $1 million in the bank got there thesameway as most people with $10,000 in the bank (savingsome of their income fora fewyears yo add to the trustee account their parentsstarted them with.
A paycut from 41 million peryearto $150,000 is notatempting offer andI can't imagine a veryrich person considers owning one McDonaldsfranchise a step up in prestige.
Unless it's achance to get richer, why try it/
So who owns these franchises andwhy must we impoverish them in an attempt to take the CEO from obsceneely wealthy down to absurdly wealthy?
Maybe we can setan upper limit for wealth and confiscate everything above it so the 1,000 richestAmericanshave exactly the same net worth. We can do this once every 10 years and watch them race to richest, then have wild spending sprees in the 10th year before they all get leveled off again,
That's not communism because those top 1,000 will always tower over anyone who has to work for a living and can keep earning money for nine years if they want to. Imagine the scramble for those in the second thousand trying to reach the plateau.

 

I have no reason to do so.

Actually you left out the part about fleeing Cuban military forces and the journey across the open water.

Yes in reality everyone in Detroit is free to move out and live somewhere else and no one at the city limits will force them to stay our attempt to capture of kill them if they attempt to flee.

so back to your question

Lots. Still waiting for you to show how many people risk their lives and die trying to flee Detroit versus Cuba.

 

Plus it would take some education.

How do you make that connection? If Cuban's try to sail to Florida and the US coastguard catches them, the Cubans are sent back to Cuba, thus your notion of Cubans sailing to be welcome with open-arms in the US is another one of those Cold-War derivative myths you're using as an idiological opiate so you don't have to look at your country for what it really has become.

And how in the world does that tie into the notion that Cuba's military is trying to flee? If it was, there'd be nobody to stop them... and in the second place, who in the world told you that? Are you one of those guys who drinks lots of moonshine distilled through heavy-metal pipes, and plays with snakes in church?

In theory they could leave, and nobody would stop them... those who want to stay in Detroit would be glad to see them go. But the *reality* is they don't have the means to leave, otherwise they *would*, because it's like trying to survive in Mogadishu only without the nice climate.

You're probably one of those guys who says, "Only in America can an idiot like me be free to say whatever stupid thing he wants", without noticing how people living in other first-world nations are saying, "Thank goodness".

 

Nope, unnecessary effort.

If they can get by the Cuban military.

If they make it ashore they are, the reason the Coast Guard has a public policy of catch and return is to dissuade them in the first place because it is so dangerous.

Didn't say the Cuban military was trying to flee.

Spare me your lame condescensions for lack of substance.

No theory about it but do try to prove your claim that the government prohibits them from leaving. It doesn't take a lot of "means" to leave, I've done it several times in my life.

Perhaps you should try to stick with an intellectual debate rather than your attempts at ad hominems and invective.

 

Check again. Now remember, this is an article that is over 13 years old:

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...-pilot-cuban-military-officer-orestes-lorenzo

And if you notice, every single one of those happened after the Cold War ended. And I think the most amazing story is that of Captain Lorenzo. 2 years after he defected, he flew back to Cuba, picked up his wife and 2 sons and flew back to the US.

 

'Because you say so' is not a valid defense. The wealth gap widens in a Cronyist environment (solution: shrink Government aggressively), and widens further under Keynesian monetary control.

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They'll give themselves that, by simply growing as people and increasing their marketability.

 

This wealth gap poppycock is a socialist creation. It's fabricated - and the willful liberal lemmings lap it up. You look at a billionaire and see a pauper, and say "OMG! THAT DIFFERENCE IS TOO HUGE! IT'S UNFAIR!"

But you don't have a clue. Your metrics are utterly asinine.

Read, and learn something.