Banning Muslim entry to the US will not stop terror

So you're against amnesty for aliens then? Even if one banned Muslim from the US, prevents one US citizen needless death, isn't it worth it?

 

What - are they nuts?

State Dept. to Uzbeks: Apply Now for Next Diversity Visa Lottery
November 1, 2017 - The State Department is now accepting applications for the 2019 Diversity Immigrant Visa Program, letting people from Uzbekistan and hundreds of other countries--including all of the countries listed on President Trump's most recent travel ban--that they have three more weeks to apply.

See also:

Terrorist Came Here Legally From Uzbekistan as a Diversity Visa Immigrant
November 1, 2017 - Hours after a terror attack that killed eight people in lower Manhattan, Americans flocked to New York City's annual Halloween parade in Greenwich Village. "NYers are resilient and won't be deterred," New York City Police Department Commissioner James O'Neill tweeted Tuesday night. "Great to see large crowd at annual Halloween parade in Village. Thx for showing world who we are."

Related:

White House Says It Hasn’t Ruled Out Putting Uzbekistan on Travel Ban List
November 1, 2017 - The man who plowed into bicyclists and pedestrians in lower Manhattan, killing eight people, immigrated to the U.S. legally from Uzbekistan, a country that has increasingly become a source of terrorist recruits for ISIS.

 

I agree; that means shutting down over 80% of the mosques and madrassas here, always a good thing. It isn't a religion, just a violent political ideology, no different than Nazism or Maoism re non-Muslims, no reason we have to pretend it's a 'religion' just because they lie and claim it's one, after all.

 

And we should also be deporting their American fans as well. The Founders certainly had no problems with deporting vermin, citizens or not.


Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, and to say to all individuals, that if they contemplate pursuits beyond the limits of these principles and involving dangers which the society chooses to avoid, they must go somewhere else for their exercise; that we want no citizens, and still less ephemeral and pseudo-citizens, on such terms. We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease.
Thomas Jefferson to William H. Crawford, 1816

Insane 'progressive' mentality. They claim this sort of 'logic' is 'rationalism' ... lol

"NAMBLA" logic - an extreme absolutist position which demands that for logical consistencies sake that certain gross crimes be allowed, in order that no one might feel restrained.
Stirling S. Newberry

 

And does it fight radicalization to treat every Muslim as if they're a terrorist? The answer is, no, it surely doesn't, in fact it makes the problem worse. But there's no point in trying to make these people see reason because their real agenda is to make America WHITE, they couldn't care less about Terrorism. They want, in the end, to "eliminate" about 5/6 or 250,000,000 of the people here. When you're setting out to kill millions a few victims of a terrorist is nothing.

 

The fact we allowed a radical jihadist to become a US citizen doesn’t negate the fact we allowed a radical jihadist to become a US citizen. Does that make sense to the easily confused?

Obviously you and everyone else would prefer we do not make citizens of radical jihadists. Easiest way to do that is not allow them to become US citizens. Becoming more clear to the easily confused?

This was NOT homegrown terror. We allowed a terrorist into our country and gave him license and free reign to commit acts of war on our homeland.
I cannot fathom how even the easily confused cannot perceive the correct strategy to stop these terrorists. Maybe they don’t really want to stop these terrorists? Seems the only plausible scenario because the cure is easily seen.

So the only real question is why does the left want to continue these attacks on the citizenry? Are they seeking to cultivate fear in the people in hopes they’ll turn too big government for comfort? To control the citizenry with fear?
Seems the only real conclusion.

Unfortunately the leftist do not understand the average Americans mindset. We are not afraid of jihadist’s. Angry but not afraid. We will not become prisoners of our own government and radical Islam. We will not subjugate our rights and become docile to liberal rule just for perceived safety.
We will solve this problem ourselves. This is how you got Trump. It was the left and their policies that promote murder on our soil that elected Trump. Conservatives pulled the levers to stop the murderous lefts BULLSHIT.
We will do it again.

 

It would seem even the left believes that. It’s their contention if we so much as look at a Muslim crossways they’ll go ballistic and start killing.
Yet they want more??? Only one logical conclusion.

 

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It may not stop terror but it is a damn good start.

 

A clear definition of insanity.
So we can’t stop every radical Muslim from attacking so we shouldn’t stop any? Instead let’s promote more? How is it possible to force the human brain to create such convoluted thought patterns?
Just in case you haven’t noticed the normal leftist ideology of appeasement doesn’t work.

Most born and bred Americans aren’t susceptible to radical Islam. Sure there are some, no doubt. Bergdahl and his father come to mind. Always seem to be leftists that go even further.
The problems are clear and they all come from one side of the political spectrum.

 

You seem to be making the case that every Muslim is a terrorist. Is that your contention?

 

WTF? Sponsored? Halting chain migration should be 1st priority. 23? That is F'ing astounding.

 

Known as the Schumer platoon.

Of course those 23 probably sponsored their own jihadi friends and so on and so on.
Amazing to think the left sees this as necessary for the good of the country. WTF?

 

Create some more strawmen; if you don't like the fact that Christians have free speech, you don't belong in the U.S. or any western country; you're never going to be happy and need a totalitarian state to make you feel safe.

 

Who is treating every Muslim as if they are a terrorist? Do you think that old tired phony argument has ran its course?

 

It qualifies for banning under the same laws that allow the U.S. to refuse entry to Nazis or any other undesirable criminal ideology as well as any other criminals. No need for an Amendment, the President already has such powers, and the Supreme Court says so; these circuit court judges that keep inventing powers for themselves just need to be ignored or removed from the bench, that's all.

 

They don't know there's a difference between Muslims and Islamists.

 

I am so tired of hearing about the "jobs Americans won't do". We need to start talking about the "entitlements Americans won't get". As soon as welfare spending gets phased out, Americans will do the jobs. They'll of course want higher wages, and will resent cheap foreign labor undermining them. Cut the welfare, fill the jobs, and immigration ceases.

 

Yes. We have decades of polls proving 'moderate Islam' is a myth and doesn't exist, so it's ridiculous to let any at all in. As we can see from many of the posts defending Islamists, it's about Killing Whitey for most of the 'progressives', not anything else, so no need to waste breath pretending they have any real genuine arguments, they're just vermin, period, and need to be deported along with their murdering heroes, 'citizens' or not.

 

No, there isn't. that's just crazy talk.

 

No one outside of those opposed to the ban of everyone from 5 countries out of 50 Muslim countries worldwide call this a Muslim ban. The political situation, war, anti-U.S. regimes in the 5 countries, Syria, Iran, Libya, Yemen, Somalia makes vetting of anyone from those countries coming into ours a nearly impossible task. Banning entrance of anyone from those five countries makes sense to me. That still leaves 45 Muslim countries untouched. A Muslim ban would ban all Muslims worldwide, not just 5 countries.

Regardless of religion, race, what have you, anyone who goes through the proper channels of vetting, obtaining a visa, etc. should be allowed to come visit and even immigrate to this country. That is how I feel and always felt. As to your statement that a Muslim ban won't stop terrorism, I think you're correct there. There's no way to stop terrorism 100%. But that doesn't mean we do everything possible to limit the possibility. Remember ISIS did a lot of boasting a while back that they are infiltrating their fighters into other countries via refugees. Do we ignore that? Do we take ISIS at its word?

I'll finish with this, Muslims on the whole just want to be left alone to worship in their own manner. But one can't ignore that it is those of the Muslim faith that is exporting terrorism either. It's not Hindu's, Buddhist, Jainist, Christian, Jewish, you name the religion that is sending people to blow things up and cause panic and fear via terrorism. The problem as I see it is you have those who want to blame the entire religion for the actions of a few within that religion, perhaps as many as 10%, but probably less. Then you have the other side who wants to ignore that the only one's at this time committing acts of terror are Muslims. Both sides have a huge disconnect in my opinion with reality.

Life was certainly simpler when it was the USSR vs. USA, East vs. West, Communism vs. Freedom, NATO vs. Warsaw Pact, etc.

 

Typical racist showing its true colors here; it thinks only whites don't want lunatic mass murderers and their ideology around, such is the bigotry on the faux 'left' and their degenerate psychoses.

 

Which illicits a question I have yet to see reported.
Did this guy have a job?
A little more salt in the wound is taxpayers funding their own deaths.

 

They seem to want to just keep everyone quiet while the terrorists keep killing. Makes me wonder who's side they are on.

 

Makes me wonder what they're on full stop?

 

Uber driver ... was a livery driver, lots of police citations.