Basic poll for "pro-lifers"....do you believe Trump when he now says he's "pro-life"?

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"Pro-lifers"-Do you believe Trump when he says he is now "pro-life"?

Poll closed Aug 26, 2016.
  1. Yes

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    10.0%
  2. No

    5 vote(s)
    50.0%
  3. I don't know

    2 vote(s)
    20.0%
  4. I don't care

    2 vote(s)
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  1. TheResister

    TheResister Banned

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    I'm pro-life and I read enough into this thread to stumble upon this post. It sounded like a challenge.

    Donald J.Trump has switched parties six times in less than twenty years. He's been all over the map with respect to the abortion issue; he has never wavered on his stance regarding gay rights. In my experience being pro-gay rights and pro-abortion go hand in hand.

    The way I see it, Trump is gaming the voters. My mother taught me that you could tell a lot about a man by the company he keeps. The one face I've seen since the primary debates is Chris Christie, following Trump around like his puppy. Here is how Christie played the pro-lifers:

    "Sen. Marco Rubio asserted, " Chris Christie wrote a check to Planned Parenthood," to which Christie responded, "Let's set the facts straight: I never wrote a check to Planned Parenthood." Who's right?

    We checked for sources from the OnTheIssues website and found the source of Rubio's assertion: a 2012 book entitled Chris Christie: The Inside Story of His Rise to Power. Christie is quoted from 1994, "I support Planned Parenthood privately with my personal contribution and that should be the goal of any such agency, to find private donations," when public funding was cut off (p. 49). The book also indicates that Christie was pro-choice until 1996 (p.201-2).

    The authors of the book, Bob Ingle and Michael Symons, are both well-established New Jersey journalists; there seems to be little wiggle-room for Christie in their reporting. Gov. Christie did not explain his denial any further; so we score Rubio as correct, and score Christie as "further explanation needed
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    Source: OnTheIssues FactChecking on Fox Business 2016 GOP debate , Jan 15, 2016

    Is this not the same tactic you see Trump duplicating? The man jumps back and forth on the issue of the day, responding to the current polling at any given time.

    Trump is not pro - life; he's not a Republican; he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
     
  2. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Well no it probably won't make him coherent but it will allow him to only pander to himself.
     
  3. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    No he is a confused, deluded, self absorbed narcissist pretending to be a person who actually cares about the American people and the future of America.
     
  4. PrincipleInvestment

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    No we don't, and limitations and exclusions from medical coverage, and even workers comp. should be an issue for debate in DC.
     
  5. FoxHastings

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    Are you addressing anyone or anything in particular ?:roflol: Learn to use the Reply with Quote function......
     
  6. CourtJester

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    That mght have some credibility except that the anti-abortion forces have also consistantly opposed birth control, sex education, and the morning after pill all of whch would make abortion less prevalent.
     
  7. PrincipleInvestment

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    Again, birth control issues arise from public funding, and parental consent concerns, not moral objection. Sex education would be 100% acceptable provided participation were elective, rather than required as part of health & science courses. Conservatives want parents to be the ones making decisions regarding the sexual activity, and education of their children. Let's be honest ... examine the data associated with teen pregnancy. Do you think STDs and teen pregnancy is more prevalent among the children of conservatives?
     
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    """Conservatives want parents to be the ones making decisions regarding the sexual activity, and education of their children."""

    But they don't want women to have the decision to have a child or not.


    To ignore the benefits of sex education (which MANY parents neglect or stupidly preach abstinence) is as stupid as ignoring the benefits of ANY education.

    ...and in the real world parents do NOT "make decisions regarding" their kids sexual activity, the kids do.

    Preaching abstinence has proven to be a failure at stopping unwanted pregnancies and abortions.



    Do you think Conservatives don't have abortions? Do you think they don't get STD's?
     
  9. Zeffy

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    I'm not familiar with STD statistics, but I do know that teen pregnancy is higher in states without comprehensive sex ed, which tend to be conservative states.

    Not all conservatives are illogical about this issue. I am conservative and have no issue with comprehensive sex ed and encouraging teens to not get pregnant. I'd rather pay for that than pay for the consequences of not paying for it.
     
  10. PrincipleInvestment

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    It's about the parents choice. I'd like to see religious studies in schools, but can't impose my beliefs. Make sex ed an elective course, let parents decide.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Learn to quote, ffs.
     
  12. CourtJester

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    Nonsense. Conservatives opposed making the morning after pill legal.
     
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    Conservatives may want parents to be the ones making decisions regarding the sexual activity and education of their children, but that means for many that the children don't get sex education, and reality shows us that those children make their own choices when they aren't educated. Compare the map of conservative ideology states with the map of teen pregnancy rate.

    https://theprogressivecynic.com/201...america-state-maps-illustrate-the-difference/

    Right wing politicians tend to unite against birth control and abortion, while promoting abstinence-only sex education. Unfortunately, abstinence-only sex education doesn’t work, and because there is little access to reliable birth control for many individuals, states that are run by conservatives tend to have massive teen pregnancy problems.....
    This pattern becomes even more extreme in the following map, which looks at teen pregnancy rates for children aged 10 to 14.
     
  14. Gorn Captain

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    And before he decided to run for President, he said he was "very pro-choice".


    But do you believe him NOW when he says he is "pro-life"?......Yes or No?
     
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    What happens if those "religious studies" indicate a positive...OR negative...view of Islam? You'd still support them?


    As far as "elective sex ed"...that's fine. If a kid's parents want to bow out...and that kid to become another Bristol Palin with TWO out-of-wedlock pregnancies in their lives. Go fer it.
     

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