Be honest: Have you ever experienced racism?

Being against race mixing is being concerned with the welfare of children. Races mixed children have many problems stemming from genetics or identity or perhaps both.

 

Being against race-mixing is racist. Mixed-race children do not have genetic problems stemming from their ancestry. Any identity problems they have stem from growing up in a racist society. Besides being of mixed-race is not an obstacle to success and living a happy life. President Obama is a prime example.

 

I am white. In Hawaii while I was in the Army, I was off duty in civilian clothes, and I stopped into a McDonald's. There was a dark-skinned teenage girl servicing the line I was in. She seemed friendly and courteous with customers ahead of me. When it was my turn she took my order and got it and took my payment. Her friendliness was gone as soon as I stepped up. She had a sullen, angry look, and did the whole thing silently except to tell me the price.

In the mid-2000s my state passed a law by voter referendum requiring proof of legal presence in the U.S. to get a drivers license. Since the law was new, you had to do it to renew the license as well. My wife, who is white, went into the local DMV office to renew. She had brought along a certified copy of her birth certificate. The DMV employee at the counter was of Hispanic descent. My wife told her she was there to renew her drivers license. The first thing the employee did was to ask her if she had brought her birth certificate. My wife said yes, and you should have seen the look of disappointment roll across that employee's face. It was completely obvious that she was taking pleasure in sending white people away without their renewal completed to go home and return later with their birth certificate. But, because my wife had brought it, she didn't get to do that this time.

I am a retired police officer. One time about 25 years ago I was riding with a black Reserve Police Officer. We were dispatched to a fight in progress. The fight was outside. When we got there and stepped out of the car this one drunken white guy looked at my partner and exclaimed, "Oh my God! You're black!" Without missing a beat, my partner held his arm out and looked at it and exclaimed, "Oh my God! I am black!"

 

I can't dispute that comforting our fears are natural reflexes, but we're socially developed beyond our natural instincts when we're civilized. A grown man locking his car door because he sees me makes this man a bit of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), even if this is a righteous natural reflex. But that is a social standard that we've raised higher than our mere reflexive baseline.

Could giving in to natural urges amount to racist or even bigoted behavior? I think this is where most social horror stem from.. carrying out an urge to rape, molest, steal or kill.

 

Yes, plenty of times. All for being perceived as white. My black husband has experienced less racism than I have.

 

Actually any identity problems they have stem from their parents. In mixed race households, parents must absolutely be colourblind and race indifferent. Race must never be a thing in the family dynamic ... EVER. The great mistake is to pander to one race identity or the other - or even both. This tells the kid they're neither.

 

Realistically most biracial and multiracial children are going to identify the way society treats them. They aren't just influenced by their parents but by media, their peers at school and work, teachers, employers and virtually everyone they encounter. You can't escape thinking about race in a society in which race is an important social issue. The role of parents is of course important to a child's development and their perception of themselves. You want to build a child's confidence and provide a good environment for them. What really matters when it comes to racial identity is that a child is not meant to feel ashamed of who they are regardless of how they identify. Obama for example wrote a whole book on this. Reading through the book it is clear that Obama suffered an identity crisis because he was a biracial kid who was abandoned by his father. His parents got divorced when he was about 2 and he never saw his father or had contact with him except for a 1 month visit when he was about 10. Obama grew up in a majority White area in Hawaii as one of the only Black kids in school and when he went home he was living with his White grandparents who while they cared about him could not identify with the issues of identity that he was experiencing. He looked Black on the outside, the family was close to were White and while they tried to instill a biracial identity in him society teaches you that you are one or the other. You don't get to choose and no one knows you are biracial unless you tell them. In one passage in the book Obama said he stopped advertising the race of his mother because he felt by doing so he was ingratiating himself to White people. In another he talked to a biracial girl about joining some club about Black social issues and she told him that she didn't consider herself to be Black which disappointed him as he felt she was confused. He also mentioned taking Boxing lessons from his Indonesian step-father and punching some White kid in the nose for saying something racist to him, something that I can identify with. Your experiences shape your reality and the choices you make define your character. That's why I shake my head when people say that Obama is not really the first African-American President. There's a reason why he grew up in a White family but ended up attending a Black church, as a community organizer on Chicago's South Side and married a Black woman. He internalized Blackness.

However Obama got over his identity crisis. His comments in this video about racial identity and being Black vs. Biracial are some of the most positive and thoughtful I've ever heard:

[video=youtube;52qRIHshOEs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52qRIHshOEs[/video]

How you treat people is more important than how you are labeled. If society weren't so obsessed with race people with a mixed background would not have as much of an identity crisis.

 

Genetics? Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Identity? Well identify as something more than a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing race.

 

There is some correlation between mixed kids and poor health, but this does not count for causality.

 

I grew up in an area with a lot of blacks. My first friend, in kindergarten, was a black girl. All through school I realized that people were very aware of race but there were few overtly racist incidents. There were loads of fights but I don’t remember them being about race.

Then for some years, I worked as a musician, and all through that time I played in mixed groups, and in mixed clubs. Our bands always prefered to work in mixed clubs because the crowds were way more hip and a lot more fun. For some time, we had a group that played to standing room only. I’d often have a car full of friends or band members of different races and we never had a problem with racists. Part of the reason might have been that most of our guys were over six feet tall. And we always had more black members than any other single race. The groups ranged from four to about twelve pieces.

Once, my brother and I were refused service at a black owned club. We just walked a block or so to another club, no problem.

Another time, I finished playing a joint at two am, then looking for something to do, stopped at a black after hours club. The ticket guys/bouncers refused to let me in. I explained that I was a musician and just wanted to check out the band. No good. They still wouldn’t let me in. They were really cool about it, and they explained that it was for my own good that they weren’t letting me in. I finally went to a different all night club.

The next day I thought about the incident and realized that the black bouncers really were trying to keep me out of trouble. I would have been the only white guy in the black after hours club. And there are a LOT of black guys out there who have no love for white guys they don’t know.

For a short time, years ago, I worked for a large grocery chain. There was a young black woman that I was friends with. I’ll call her Alice. We liked each other a lot. Alice was pretty, intelligent, articulate, and she had a wicked sense of humor. One day, a young white sales rep was in the store checking out his product, making sure it was properly stocked, etc. So, he was asking me a few questions when Alice came walking into the aisle. She walked up to us, looked up at me with a shy look on her face, and asked, “Did my bonus check come in yet?” And I answered, “No. You don’t get a check.” Then, looking very helpless and sheepish (which she wasn’t) she asked, “Is it because I’m a N-word?” Keeping a straight face, I simply answered, quietly and seriouly, “Yes... it is.” Hearing this, the young lady lowered her head, turned around, and shuffled slowly, and sadly, out of the aisle.

The young white sales rep had been there standing with us the whole time, and he would look back and forth as the young woman and I spoke. By the time the short conversation drew to an end, the young white guy’s jaw had dropped and he was standing there speechless. His mouth open, not believing what he had just witnessed.

I then said goodbye to the sales rep and walked away (he ws still stunned). I went to the break room, where Alice was seated at the break table. We looked at each other and ROARED with laughter. I then described the sales rep’s reaction, and we laughed til we hurt. This was some of the funniest stuff I’ve ever seen. Nothing planned, just Alice’s razor-like sense of humor at work. Nothing like this ever happened again. But, brother, you have to be really tight with someone to pull something like this off.

 

But of course society is racist. Almost all societies at almost all times are racist. Racism is inherent in the human species. So mixed race children will almost always face problems and that is indeed an obstacle to success and a happy life. Wishing the world were some other place is futile.

That some few overcome these obstacles does not invalidate the rule.

 

What counts as "mixed"? From an ethnic point of view, nearly all Americans are mixed.

 

Not all societies throughout history have been racist and human societies have become a lot less racist in recent years. It stands to reason that society can become even less racist in the future than it is today. Racism is also not inherent. Racism is a choice. If individuals can choose to stop being racist then so can whole communities. So promoting tolerance and equality in order to change the world around you is the key to diminishing racism and making the world a better place for mixed race children to live in.

[video=youtube;39__xvn0YaY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39__xvn0YaY&t=150s[/video]

 

Why would a white majority society want black diversity?

Can you cite any Western nation benefitting from black diversity?

 

I don't need to do that because it is a non-issue to me. In America the ancestors of Black Americans were taken against their will and forced to do free labor for hundreds of years which certainly benefited the American economy. So we're here. Our ancestors didn't have a choice in coming here so why should we care if racist Whites don't feel like we are benefiting the country? Most Black Americans are law-abiding citizens trying to live a decent life just like White people who are not even the indigenous people of the continent to begin with. You might have a better claim to land ownership in Europe and encourage stricter immigration policies but those policies need not be racist or bigoted in any way.

 

We're talking Black and White here, I'm pretty sure.

 

I would like to know what societies have not been racist. And according to BLM, the US is pretty darn racist. I agree with them. I, for one, have little interest in making the world a better place for mixed race children.

 

If blacks are detrimental to European society why would whites not want race based immigration laws?

Is there any evidence blacks as a group are as successful as are whites as a group in modern society?

 

Before the age of exploration most societies around the world had no concept of racism obviously because many of them hadn't encountered people who look different. Greco-Roman culture was not nearly as racist as Western European culture. You can find some racist quotes here and there but generally they were not very racist towards Black Africans (although certainly ethnocentric). A classical historian named Frank Snowden wrote a whole book on this subject titled Before Color Prejudice which is regarded as mainstream scholarship and an accurate account of Greco-Roman opinions on Blacks. The Greeks and Romans were ethnocentric in the sense that they thought their culture was superior and they looked down on less technologically advanced nations however they actually thought more highly of East Africans than they did the tribes of central and western Europe.

That proves that racism is not inherent because many cultures were less racist in antiquity than they are today. Some were not racist at all and human societies are generally less racist now than they were a few decades ago. The United States is differently less racist now than it was 50 or 60 years ago. The #BlackLivesMatter movement is protesting racist discrimination by White cops who kill unarmed Blacks at higher rates than they do unarmed Whites and racial bias in the criminal justice system which includes judges who give Blacks harsher sentences than they do Whites who commit the same crimes and juries that let off White defendants more often than they do Black defendants including Whites who kill Blacks (the George Zimmerman case sparked the BLM protests and I know he is Hispanic but many see him as White). So racism still exists in America but it is certainly less racist today than it was during segregation. The only reason anyone would not want the world to be better for mixed race children is if they are racist. Personally I don't see why anyone should care about interracial relationships and mixed children if it has nothing to do with you. If other people want to date or marry interracially and have mixed kids how is that any of your business?

 

I looked up Prof. Snowden and there is actually very little about him and I could find no scholarly reviews of his book. It is certainly true that the Ancient European civilizations had little contact with Black Africans and the ones they did know where Ethiopians who are indeed the most advanced of the Black Africans having a large admixture of Semitic blood.

It is hardly an argument that because a society had nobody to be racist about it shows that racism is not inherent. My favorite study to bolster my position is the one that found that babies are racists:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/racist-babies-nine-month-olds-bias-faces_n_1477937.html

I don't know that people are any less racist than they were some decades ago. Their natural racism is just suppressed by being brow beaten by leftist advocates. It is less socially acceptable to express the racism that lurks deep in the hearts of most White people. This phenomenon has even been given a name, "subliminal racism" or "covert racism." Then there is the phenomenon of "implicit bias" which discovers racial biases in individual who claim to be anti-racists.

Just look around you and it is quite obvious that we are still a highly segregated society. White and Black people just don't mix socially however much they are forced to interact on the job. I have read complaints that the public schools are more segregated now than they were before Brown v. Board of Education.

You are quite correct that if a interracial couple wants to marry, it is none of my business. But by the same token, if interracial children are discriminated against it is equally none of my business. The couple knew what they were getting into and went ahead anyway. That their children are discriminated against is their fault, not mine.

 

Perhaps they thought he might start eating them?..
(Only joking, oh god please make me funny..)
Here's one of my heroes in action-

[video=youtube;ZLV4NGpoy_E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLV4NGpoy_E[/video]

 

Where is the evidence that Blacks are detrimental to European society? Let's start there....

You couldn't have looked very hard. A Google search for "Frank M. Snowden Jr." generates about 2,300,000 results. The top result is to a Wikipedia article which provides a small biography and details about his research. The book Before Color Prejudice was published by Harvard University Press which provides quotes from two scholarly reviews.

“This elegantly written book…collects evidence for artistic representations of African individuals in the ancient world from Egyptian to Roman times… [The] illustrations are well chosen and [show] how the ancient world saw the people of its southern frontiers.”—P.L. Shinnie, American Historical Review

“This cogent, well-written study is richly illustrated with 47 pages of plates of uniformly high quality.”—Lionel Casson, Archeology

The book is cited 376 times by Google Scholar and has a 4 out of 5 star rating on Amazon.com with 54% of the reviewers giving it a 5 star. Snowden graduated with a doctorate degree from Harvard University and was a classics Professor at Howard University. He was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2003 and his research on Blacks in antiquity is considered ground breaking for the field.




He was not world famous. Most scholars are not however he was clearly respected in his field.

Ethiopians do not have "a large admixture of Semitic blood." The Semitic language family actually originated in East Africa and the genetic ancestry of those people is mostly African and certainly was more so in antiquity before Arab immigration. Ethiopian in ancient Greek writing actually referred to dark-skinned Africans (Αἰθίοψ = Aithiops = "burnt face") and was used to described various ethnic groups that lived in regions south of Egypt (Egyptians were called Egyptians but were also a dark-skinned people known to the ancient Greeks as artistic and scientific evidence indicates. Some Greek historians also attested to this fact in their writing ex. Aristotle and Herodotus).

All that this study proved is that babies notice differences and develop biases. That doesn't prove babies are racist. They have no concept of race, only differences. This is simply an example of stranger anxiety. A good example of this is a video where a man with a large beard shaves it to surprise is baby daughter and she cries because she doesn't recognize him without his beard. He's the same person he simply lost a characteristic that she identified with her father.

[video=youtube;_k0fnTiKEMc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k0fnTiKEMc[/video]

Racism is taught to children at an early age. The less racist the parents are the less racist the children will be and when they grow up with children of different races at a young age they will more easily see them as ordinary people and their equals.

[video=youtube;5pju9-WLzII]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pju9-WLzII[/video]

Racism certainly still exists. I am not denying that and the covert racism that came from conservatives against Obama shows that many Whites are still racist. But Whites are certainly less racist now than they were in the 1950s and 1960s otherwise many Whites would not have voted for him in the first place. Polling data also shows that racial attitudes have changed. Liberals are less racist than conservatives and White American opinions on topics such as interracial marriage have changed dramatically in recent decades.

Self segregation does exist however as society has become less racist social interaction between Blacks, Whites and others has increased. The growth in interracial marriage is a good example.

You can hardly fault the parents unless you feel that something is morally wrong with interracial relationships. If so I would like to hear your opinion on that. If you are the one doing the discriminating it is your fault or the fault of the one that is discriminating not the parents or the child. No one deserves to be treated unfairly or persecuted for their ancestry.

 

You should read some more of the posts on this forum. There are people quite clearly asserting that black people have a lesser intelligence than white people. They'll speak vehemently about violence, sloth, dishonesty and other detrimental characteristics with the genuine belief that they are establishing that one race is superior to another.

That belief is racism.

I think a lot of that stupidity is motivated by lottery mentality. I think many of them may be insecure and seek to establish that one race is superior to another so they can claim that superiority for themselves. Rather than actually do someone of merit with their lives. I often react by noting it, offering useful observations to the contrary where I think they may be considered, and otherwise cautiously avoiding people demonstrating racism. Trump will be hard to avoid.





rac·ism /ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.


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When I was growing up. I experienced racism first hand. We moved to Japan. So, immediately we were Gaijin. The translation of that sound fairly benign, but it isn't. It has equivalence to some of our more derogative words in this country.

As I've traveled, I've experienced true racism in many other nations around the world. Perhaps none worse than in the Kingdom or Kuwait. I've seen it expressed as a function of race, religion, and ethnicity. I've seen it exhibited around the globe. I've seen it in this country. In the US. The constant reminder from minorities in this country that they are intolerant of, and unwilling to simply abide.

Yes there is racism. I doubt, though, that many here will be truly willing to acknowledge this.

 

I am not against racist and black humanity.

My neightbors Denmark are 4/5 racism by adult.

But Danish likes Sports.

Even racism don't likes Sports in other countries.

Selfy I am proud white humanity.

I can liked muslims.

Because they're a lot in my town.

Communism is worse than muslims.

Communism are Leftism in Sweden.

And other way in Europe.

Communism are like black humanity in America.

Not best way to live within.

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A few Communism in Sweden are not Leftism.