Bedouin Israelis Receive 'Award for Zionism' for IDF Activism

yeah, and I memorized your stance on ethnic cleansing.

you said its ok, for security reasons

 

Please re-read my previous comments, we've been through this already.

 

so u forgot your own comments?

 

I know exactly what I wrote.

 

so you remember that you justified ethnic cleansing, for security purposes?

just as you justified violating the Mandate for Palestine document, for security purposes.

 

Please re-read my previous comments, we've been through this already.

 

I do not know why one should question what you wrote umpteen times on this forum, and umpteen times display an indifference when 'everything/information' is readily available in book shops and corner libraries... whomever quizzes you to death has an agenda and this agenda has Muslim written all over it...

When the British left the Palestine Mandate to the Jews it was supposed to be 100%, then they surreptitiously carved out 77% of that same Mandate to <create> JORDAN this time...

Funny they did not do the same thing to the Mesopotamian Mandate when they completely forgot about the <KURDS>...

 

The mandate ended on May 14 1948 after the British announced ending of mandate previous November with ending of mandate referenced in Israel's independence. The fact is the mandate did not promise a Jewish home in all of Palestine; it promised a Jewish home in Palestine which is indisputable what Israel is thus, mandate fulfilled. The mandate doc also says borders are determined by the mandatory which was Britain.
"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them;"
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

The comparison is not same with the Kurds as the Jews got their home and state with Israel, a regional superpower and one of the most successful states to emerge after WW2. In 1920 treaty of Sevres in comparison the Kurds were promised independence in area consisting of part is now Turkey. However, after Turkish war of independence and Ataturk coming to power treaty was rejected and replaced by treaty of Lausanne three years later which rejected independence for Kurds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Sèvres#Subsequent_treaties

 

no we have not

you just keep ignoring the issues

 

Yes we have already. Please re-read my previous comments. (I'm not ignoring the issues, I already replied to them)

 

Stuntman isn't ignoring the issues. However, we have disproved what he said and when he doesn't have anything else to say he says to reread previous comments the same comments we have refuted numerous times.

 

You and Ronstar havent disproved anything that I wrote here, and I refuted everything that you both had to wrote.
When I wrote "re-read my previous comments", it is not because I have nothing to say, but it is because you are re-using again on claims that you already got from me a proper reply in the same thread but previously, so I referring you both to my previous comments- where the reply that you seek is laying there.

I have plenty to say, dont worry.

 

I have dis-proven what you have said. Again you when you have nothing new to say you again say re-read previous comments the same ones I have disproven. It would be like in court saying after evidence was proven false by responding with look again at evidence that was proven false. Examples of that include you falsely claiming the mandate hasn't ended, claiming article 80 of un charter protects settlements, etc.

 

you said that Israel never invaded Area C. This was false.

you said that 85% of Arabs in the West Bank are actually crypto-Jews. This was false.

 

This is forcible 'relocation'. There isn't much in the way of free will involved so, yes, it is completely contradictory to Bedouin tradition.

 

You are continue to repeating yourself, and say the exact same thing that said in post #461, and which I already replied to in post #462.

I already replied to such claims in my previous comments in this thread to you or to other members. Please re-read them.

 

It is not false, and I already showed you that.

It is completly right, and I already showed you that.

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As I already resonded in post #223 regarding this subject: (http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=420622&page=23&p=1065317398#post1065317398)
Ya'alon in 2013 has approved a plan to build a new Arab city which will be under the PA control near Jericho that will take 2,000 dunams of lands from Israeli lands:

The city's name will be Nu'aimah will intend to house tan of thousand Arab residents and Israel will trasfer for that 2,000 dunams of lands from the Jordan Valley Regional Council to this project:

Ya'alon has freezed this project to study it much better, and after he studied it he removed his objection to it and according to the Israeli Defence Ministary it will be for the Arab population that live today illegaly on state lands:

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168504

The city will give retro-active permits to houses that today exist on a land near Jericho that on that lands will be build the new Arab city.The build of the city will be for the ones who live today illegaly on the same land, and by that will approve they stay on that land and will make them legal from illegal.

 

Israel invaded Area C in 2002.

no, its completely delusional.

 

Area C was in Israeli control in 2004, so Israel couldnt invade Area C.

It is true.

 

lol...you have no proof.

just delusional fantasies by a fool who wrote one article.

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i meant 2002

 

I already provided the proofs.

Now it is 2002? and tomorrow it will be 2006 maybe?

In 2002, Area C was under Israeli control, so Israel couldnt invade Area C.

 

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/...amaria-were-formerly-jews/2015/01/06/0/?print

However, after conducting intense research into this issue, another story for the origins of the Palestinian people has appeared which further reaffirms Jewish attachment to the Holy Land. A Palestinian living in Jerusalem who wishes to remain anonymous has confessed in an exclusive interview that this persons&#8217; family origins are 100% Jewish and that this person&#8217;s father&#8217;s family were Cohanim. He proclaimed: &#8220;Most of the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria are former Jews. The Ottomans converted them by force. My family converted to Islam in the early 1900&#8217;s.&#8221;

what a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing delusional fool this guy is.

no wonder he wants to stay anonymous. he's a moron!!!

 

Stuntman, Ronstar meant Area A. I have already shown links to arrest raids before with some of them in Tulkram itself and Nablus long after end of second intifada. Again some of the checkpoints are in area A which are military authority which means under international law area A is still in a state of occupation.

"you said that 85% of Arabs in the West Bank are actually crypto-Jews. This was false."
You cited an anonymous(so I assume you now accept all of Breaking silence testimony since you have dropped opposition to anonymous testimoney) resident in West Bank. This anonymous person claims that the Turks forced most of Jews in Palestine to convert to Islam. Again known Israeli demographic and historic experts says the opposite.To go over it again Sergio DellaPergola states that by 5th century Palestine lost it's Jewish majority and by end of 12th century before the Ottomans ruled Palestine Palestine became majority Muslim. In "Israel in the Middle East: Documents and Readings on Society, Politics, and Foreign Relations, Pre-1948 to the Present" written by Itamar Rabinovich and Jehuda Reinharz says that in 1882 at time of first aliyah 8% of Palestine was Jewish and in 1517 before first aliyah and time of Ottoman conquest 1.7% population of Palestine was Jewish. Both of them are Israeli experts on history with Rabinovich a professor emeritus of Middle Eastern History at Tel Aviv University, distinguished global professor at New York University and a distinguished fellow at the Brookings Institution. Saying please re-read prevous comments is not a rebuttal nor change what I say or change the previous comments I have just disproven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_DellaPergola
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine#cite_note-28
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/israel_palestine_pop.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Rabinovich

"The city's name will be Nu'aimah will intend to house tan of thousand Arab residents and Israel will trasfer for that 2,000 dunams of lands from the Jordan Valley Regional Council to this project:"
Nu'aimah is a township being built for Bedouin that live in areas that Israel wants mainly Jordan valley and e-1 to forcibly move there away from these areas(which means only some of them those live in part of Jordan valley where Nu'aimah will be built would get retroactive permits; those in other parts of Jordan valley and e-1 they are being forcibly moved). Again I have disprove this with links to b'tselem and haaretz describing this. Again forcibly moving someone is not the same as retroactively giving out house permits. Again Palestinians rarely get permits which requires them to build illegally. This is well known with as mentioned before Israeli data showing only 5.6 percent of permits approved between 2000-2012.
http://www.btselem.org/area_c/20140917_plans_to_transfer_bedouins_to_ramat_nueimeh
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.615986
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/palestinians-west-bank-demolition_55af1787e4b0a9b94852fa25

 

Area A is in full civil and security control of the PA. The IDF does not enter Area A. You are talking about Area B where there the control is split between the PA and the IDF, as it was agreed upon in Oslo.

I didnt drop to annonymous testimonies. The testimonies you could see the face of the people and the names of them. what Sergio DellaPergola stated regarding the 5th and 12th centuries has nothing to do with the current reality of the West Bank + does not contradict that there is no crypto-Jews.

As I already resonded in post #223 regarding this subject: (http://www.politicalforum.com/showth...post1065317398)
Ya'alon in 2013 has approved a plan to build a new Arab city which will be under the PA control near Jericho that will take 2,000 dunams of lands from Israeli lands:

The city's name will be Nu'aimah will intend to house tan of thousand Arab residents and Israel will trasfer for that 2,000 dunams of lands from the Jordan Valley Regional Council to this project:

Ya'alon has freezed this project to study it much better, and after he studied it he removed his objection to it and according to the Israeli Defence Ministary it will be for the Arab population that live today illegaly on state lands:

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168504

The city will give retro-active permits to houses that today exist on a land near Jericho that on that lands will be build the new Arab city.The build of the city will be for the ones who live today illegaly on the same land, and by that will approve they stay on that land and will make them legal from illegal.

 

Israel invaded Area A in 2003.