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Biden to impose $200 Gun Tax

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by TheAngryLiberal, Nov 23, 2020.

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  1. 557

    557 Well-Known Member

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    I’m not confused at all. Your idea incentivizes crime by making innocents responsible for reparations. If you want to reduce crime you make the guilty party pay reparations. If you had been willing to answer my question about why you wish to tax standard capacity magazines instead of energy drinks you may become less confused.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Then it behooves you to take the time and make the effort to learn about the subject, else you only demonstrate to the world you have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Innocents are always the ones left holding the bag. The dead are dead.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    This is me doing that.
    What is their intended purpose if not to maim or kill?
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    As you admit your ignorance of the issue, you have no clue whatsoever as what weapons are protected under the 2nd.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Never said it did, that's why you can't buy a nuke...

    I never said Bidens $200 tax proposal was Unconstitutional, I said it was stupid and would accomplish virtually nothing because few are going to pay that and the government has no way of knowing which citizens own the tens of millions of semi auto rifles in the country.
     
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    Seems you are also ignorant then. You just fail to admit it. Because obviously not all arms are protected.
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    The deadliest mass shootings in history have been performed by Governments as Native American people can attest.

    Notice how the Obama/Biden team failed to pardon this guy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Peltier
     
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  9. TOG 6

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    No one claimed all arms are protected.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    If you want to get technical and play semantics in reality a firearm is designed to discharge a projectile at a high velocity in a pointed direction. That what it is technically designed to do, what that projectile is discharged at is up to the operator of the firearm. It can be a target, an animal, or you. Just like a bat is designed to apply blunt force to an opposing object, what that other object happens to be is up to the person swinging the bat. It can be a baseball, some old tv's, or your skull.

    Clubs were carried as issued alternative weapons of war by troops as recently as WWI, clubs are basically smaller bats that were issued to troops with the sole purpose of cracking a human skull open with to maim or kill. So as with many other common items things can have multiple "intended purposes". The clubs used by troops were designed to kill or maim, that was their intended purpose and that is why they were specifically produced and distributed en masse at that time. However the club used by the kid next door is designed to hit a ball even though it can serve the same purpose as the club given to troops in war but it's not what it was designed to do by Spalding who manufactured it last year.

    The rifle that I was issued and carried during my multiple tours overseas was designed for the specific intended purpose of killing or maiming other people. Remington did not design and sell M4A1 rifles to the US military to hunt game with or plink targets for fun. The AR-15 variant that I own personally is not the same rifle nor does it have the same functionality as the M4A1 I take to war with me even though they look nearly identical to the untrained eye. The AR-15 that I have was not designed to be used in war which is why they don't provide the US military with AR-15s, the US military uses M4's and M-16s. Sure I COULD use my AR-15 on the battlefield but that is not the intended purpose of it when Smith and Wesson manufactured it.

    Just like vehicles....GM's intended purpose for my Chevy truck was to manufacture a human operated gas powered piece of equipment with the ability to travel from point A to B and haul a 1/2 ton of weight in the cargo bed and pull 5 tons behind it. Just because I can now take said piece of equipment and choose to travel from point A to point B via a busy marketplace while running over 50 humans in the process does not mean that GM designed it's piece of equipment for that purpose. It means I, the operator, chose to use it as such which is not what GM had in mind when they sold it to me.
     
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    Since, as you claim, you are trying to take the time and make the effort to learn about the subject, and do not want to demonstrate to the world you have no idea what you're talking about...
    You said:
    "Eugene Stoner invented the AR-15 in 1959."

    Eugene Stoner's AR-15 is a machinegun, and as such, is already covered by the NFA of 1934 -- all legally owned examples thereof in private hands are already registered under said act. Thus, Eugene Stoner's AR-15 cannot be an example of the AR15 under discussion here, with regard to Biden's gun control plan.

    As Stoner's AR-15 is not the AR15 under discussion, you reference to the "stated purpose" of Stoner's AR-15 - however true it may be - does not and can not do anything to support your claim that the "stated purpose" of an AR15 is to cause massive harm to massive amounts of people.

    Since you are no longer ignorant of the truth, I accept your concession of the point and your agreement that your "stated purpose" claim has no basis in fact and was in fact a statement derived from your own ignorance of the subject.
     
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    Actually, no.
    This is you making claims you know you cannot support with the hope you can trick someone into disproving them.
    This is otherwise known as "trolling".
     
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    I will.
    The unnecessary and ineffective taxation, transfer requirements and registration requirements Biden wants to lay on firearms in common use for traditionally legal purposes intentionally serve to do nothing but make it more difficult for the law abiding to exercise their right to own and use such firearms, and therefore are, prima facie, violations of the constitution.
     
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    It doesn’t matter how fast energy drinks kill you or others. But used as intended, yes energy drinks take a lot of lives instantly. Mass shootings don’t usually involve the firearms and magazines in question here. Yes, AR-15’s are used more than gummy bears, but they are not and never were intended to be used in criminal pursuits any more than gummy bears were. You are welcome to make the case AR-15’s were designed and manufactured to commit murder. But you will need to support that argument with something besides appeal to emotion or personal opinion.

    Of course I used energy drinks for a reason because I can show they are used in killing of innocents even though they aren’t designed to any more than a standard capacity magazine is. :)

    Why would I call victims criminals? I lay blame on those that violate the non aggression principle, not victims. And certainly not on completely innocent and uninvolved third parties. You want the innocent third parties to pay for crimes committed by others.
     
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    In your world I suppose innocents are left holding the bag. In my world the perpetrator should hold the bag.
     
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    You avoided the question, asked in reference to the 'assault weapons' I presently have, and that Biden wants to place under the NFA of 1934:
    If I don't pay the $200 tax and register them, or sell them back, what happens?
     
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    a bat is designed for baseball, a firearm is designed for hunters of people like soldiers.

    firearms can be used for target practise of inanimate objects

    or defenseless animals
     
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    These are among the many reasons our right to own and use them is protected by the Constitution.
     
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    Are you a Vegan?
     
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