Big Business & Big Government vs. the People

Discussion in 'Economics & Trade' started by Anansi the Spider, Jan 9, 2016.

  1. Kode

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    Listen, play your silly game, but every society has a government and they all collect taxes and fund certain needs for the society.
     
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    You're doing it again: "Listen, play your silly game, but every society has slaves to provide certain needs for the society." Conservatives like yourself can't see how things might be different someday.
     
  3. Kode

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    I get it. Sarcasm. -from both of you. That's nice. So you will agree with me then when I say the fact that socialism has never been successfully established and stabilized and maintained doesn't mean it can't be or won't be. Thank you.
     
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    Of course WSDEs are possible. They already exist.
     
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    The thing is I don't see WSDE's as an alternative for capitalism, just a participant.
     
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    Shhhhh. @Kode doesn't know that.
     
  7. Kode

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    LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Riiiiiight. There's no difference between private ownership of the means of production for private profit, and fully democratic worker control with profit taking a lesser role. Absence of pollution, production to fill needs and wants, educator control of education, prisons truly for rehabilitation where possible, healthcare for all, elimination of fee-for-service, rational immigration policy, democracy at work and in society, on and on.

    Utopia? Hell no. There will always be problems to solve, but we can't solve them under this system it seems.
     
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    Oh, is it him that rambling on about WSDE's again? Has he reconciled the fact that the example held in highest regard by the dullards that follow Wolff, Mondragon, have lots of non-owner employees yet?
     
  9. Kode

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    Yup. I wrote about that. You missed it.
     
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    so we've gone from worker control to the whole Marxist agenda that killed 120 million ?
     
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    You're like any standard libcommie who supports minimum wage. In reality its just 1 of 1001 interventions he supports on route to full blown 120 million dead communism.
     
  13. Kode

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    And you're like any standard corporofascist who supports filling food with poisons to boost medical insurance profits.
     
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    if you have evidence of that I'll pay you $10,000. Bet?
     
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    Socialism is easily embedded within Austrian economics. Its a shame that the fake libertarians haven't grasped that yet. I'm sure they'll be sheepish
     
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    is this what Mises thought too?? or just you?
     
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    Now this I gotta hear.
     
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    That's what I thought when I read that, but I think what he's trying to get at, there, is that a socialist community could exist within a voluntary society. I t doesn't have anything to do with Austrian economics, which is what makes it confusing, but I think that's where he meant to go.
     
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    Oh sure. In a free society, a group of people could certainly set up their own socialist community. Goes without saying.

    You can also bet that I'll get no answer from @Reiver. Lately, he seems reluctant to engage with me.
     
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    As soundly as you defeated his previous arguments, that's not surprising.
     
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    Hey he’s a free market socialist so any bs works for him!!
     
  22. Reiver

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    Basic error! Market socialism has been shown to be embedded within Austrian economics since Burczak's Socialism after Hayek. That's the ironic aspect of Hayek's contributions to the socialist calculation debate. He actually empowered socialists
     
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    Lucky you.
     
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    Haha, yeah.
     
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    If that were true, it would be on Hayek, not Austrian economics. Of course it's not though. Like everything else socialists want us to believe, it's only possibly true in some roundabout, twisted, stretched out and far-fetched sense, after we redefine our whole vocabulary.
     
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