Bill Nye critcizes GOP, parents teaching creationism

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  1. Grizz

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    My Christian beliefs are quite well, thank you, and I have read a LOT of scientific information/research for more than 60 years.
     
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    What other sections of the Bible do you reject. Is Jesus a liar?


     
  3. Windigo

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    I have never once met a Christian who thinks that. And I meet more than you do.

    Your bigotry is on full display. Why can't a person not make bigoted comments about races or religions other than. Christianity yet you are allowed to spout off the most offensive ignorant (*)(*)(*)(*)?
     
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    This Is What Creationists Believe About Dinosaurs

    Here’s what they didn’t talk about in the Bill Nye–Ken Ham debate.


    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/this-is-what-creationists-believe-about-dinosaurs
     
  5. Windigo

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    So I can say that all blacks muslims believe that white people were created by an evil wizard because I've read that some do?

    That is bigotry and once more you can't see it. You think your bigotry is okay because you are right. That puts you right there with other bigots because they believe the same thing.

    A creationist is someone who believes god created man nothing more nothing less. You strawman arguments are pure bigotry and only tell us about the kind of person you are. Instead of complaining about people who hardly exist how about you do some soul searching. You need it.
     
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    You're still missing the point.

    You're arguing philosophy. Not science.

    Science requires experimentation, and it requires reproducible results. To the extent that creationism in any of its forms (young earth, intelligent design, or any other way) can not provide these things, it is not science.

    Anyone can sit in an armchair and conjecture that an intelligent being designed something, but the scientist is the one who has to get up out of the armchair and prove it. And the very first step in proving it is: "design an experiment".

    And the creationist can not "design an experiment". The creationist can't even get to square one of science, which is formulating the experiment.

    Therefore, the creationist remains in the armchair, as a philosopher.

    And not in the field as a scientist.
     
  7. PeppermintTwist

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    The thread is based upon Evolution vs.Creationism, therefore, the Christians that subscribe to Creationism and deny science are the ones being debated with here. No one claimed that all Christians believe that humans walked with dinosaurs, but obviously there are Christians that do.
     
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    The overwhelming majority of Christians who believe in creation do not believe man walked with dinosaurs. Reducing the argument to bull(*)(*)(*)(*) like you just pulled is pure bigotry.

    It's no different that a Christian having a discussion with a Muslim and saying that muslims believe that white people were created by an evil wizard because he read on the Internet or saw in YouTube that some do.

    It's pure bigotry. You need to do some soul searching. You have bigger problems than Christians.

    I don't believe you have ever even met a Christian who says man walked with dinosaurs. It's some (*)(*)(*)(*) you saw on the Internet.
     
  9. PeppermintTwist

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    It's bigotry to acknowledge that there are Christians that believe that dinosaurs coexisted with humans? How so?
    So, if someone reads the above they are bigoted?
     
  10. Windigo

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    Design an experiment for me that proves More theory.
     
  11. Windigo

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    You are not acknowledging you are extrapolating. There is the bigotry.
     
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    Where did I say that ALL Christians believe that humans cohabitated with dinosaurs, therefore ALL Christians are anti-science? Maybe you just don't know the definition of extrapolate.
     
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    In what universe (no pun here) has religion ever contradicted science in the first place?

    The Bible has been reinterpreted ten times over via various languages.

    For example -

    The Bible states that God created the universe in 6 days... Well, what is a day? of course a day as we know it is one rotation of the Earth, however a day could very well mean a Billion years or "one period" similar to the Mayan calender.... A day is a unit of measurement.

    The Bible is nothing more than interpretation via numerous languages.

    So a lot of the ideas that atheists and other brands of anti-Christians love to use to contradict the Bible could very well be misinterpreted - especially when it comes to units of measurement.

    Also who says the Earth is NOT the center of the universe? It could very well be considering there is no way to map space and these alleged "scientists" have absolutely no idea how big our universe actually is. Sure we know solar systems and galaxies but not the universe... For all we know our galaxies could be just the center of a mega-universe....

    IMO, the truth is science doesn't know, yet scientists from EVERY AGE believe they know 99% of what is fact, when in reality science probably knows about .009% of what is fact.
     
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    Also, It amazes me how alleged 'scientists' are more than willing to rule the idea of a God or God's out....

    I love quantum mechanics/physics.... Now anyone that is familiar with quantum theory tell me that string theory and "spooky" ideas are not any more fantastic than the idea of a God???

    It boggles my mind that someone "scientist" can sit there and ponder the idea of string theory or the idea of quantum entanglement and write off God or Gods as "the flying spaghetti monster."
     
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    A creationist is someone who not only believes God created man, but created him in his present form with no relation to any other creatures who came before. Yet, any study of a number of sciences shows that is just plain silly.
     
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    Theories (and even scientific laws) cannot be proven. They can only be disproven. That's the nature of science, and why arguments like this are so frustrating. Too many people have not been taught the basics of the scientific method and scientific processes.
     
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    I pretty much agree. That said, the evidence points towards evolution. This world looks nothing like how it would look if designed intentionally by an intelligent creator.
     
  18. Windigo

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    You have used the argument exclusively in an OP dealing with Bill Nye saying that parents can't teach their children creation. The context of your argument was clear. Now you are just lying.
     
  19. Windigo

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    No it doesn't say that. For all you know apes were a beta.
     
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    I would love for you to point to the post where I said ANYTHING about what parents should teach their kids. My issue is what is taught in public schools. If parents choose to keep kids ignorant they can certainly do it on their own time in their own environment including a parochial school of their choice.

    Your intent is what is clear...you just want to pick an argument that has zero basis.
     
  21. Troianii

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    Okay - that is not the subject of this thread. We're not talking about creationism v evolution, and we're certainly not talking about teaching creationism in public schools.
     
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    Call me a neanderthal, but I've never believed in evolution. Not because of religion, but rather because the idea of evolution has always been contrary to my nature, spirit, intellect and conscience. Still I have always found dinosaur fossils to be fascinating.
     
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    My only issue with it is when it is being forced upon public schools and when public school teachers are shying way from including evolution in the curriculum due to the controversy that is stupidly initiated by Creationists that insist it should be taught as a science. What idiocy people wish to proliferate when it is not on the taxpayer's dime is of no concern to me.

    So in essence, Nye understands that there is ongoing dispute within the public school system and is giving his opinion on the subject. I agree with him, but as I said, if a parent wants their kids raised without the scientific explanation, I personally don't care, but I would lobby against teaching Creationism as a science in a district where the schools are funded with my tax dollars. I cannot make it any clearer and if someone does not understand this straightforward explanation, it's no wonder Evolution science goes over their head.
     
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    Considering 'God' is a man-made idea, I'd love to hear why "his" (how do you know it's a He?) word isn't fallible.
     
  25. Windigo

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    The OP is about what Bill Nye said.
     

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