Black actress kissing white boyfriend handcuffed/detained

they were doing a lot more than just kissing.

looks like they were dry humping, or maybe even getting a BJ.

...with the car door open.

 

What were the citizens calling in to report to which the officers were responding? That is the salient part to your question which left out.

So again what do you mean support? If any of my adult kids were in a car in public having sex and the police came and asked them for ID I would urge them to supply it, act respectful and heed the warning the police would give and certainly NOT turn and walk away claiming they did nothing wrong.

What would you do?

 

Nice deflection, the police were following up on reports with the claims of others seeing the couple having sex and some pictures have surfaced that prove the race card playing couple was lying and they were not just "making out".

 

And I agree totally, if I am just standing in line at Dunkin Donuts and a police officer comes in and we start casually talking and the he then ask me for an ID I would respectfully decline. However if a robbery just occurred and then see me exiting and stop me and ask for ID I would provide it, or if I happened to be having public sex and the police got a call and they came up and asked me what I was doing and an ID I would comply and say sorry we made a mistake.

 

They can be DETAINED why do you keep falsely painting it differently. We can all stipulate you cannot be arrested for merely not having an ID. OK.............GOT IT. Stop making the strawman argument.

And you know what, I bet they would take your dog tags as an ID as long as that satisfied them as to who you are and if you did not simply turn away and start walking off claiming you did nothing wrong you would be given "have a nice day" and be on your merry way.

 

If I know I hadn't done anything wrong I wouldn't want to tell them, even if it looks like I did something. Of course, it's not like I have any choice at the moment.

If they're that sure I'm a danger to society - detain me.

 

It doesn't matter what you think or even it there is a "danger". If they suspect a crime has been committed even a non-violent crime and have reasonable suspicion you may be involved they will request you provide them identification. They may be satisfied if you just tell them, they may want to see documentation. They are authorized under the law and the Constitution to do so. It is a prefectly reasonable request which comes under the "unreasonable search and seizure" clause. It has to be "unreasonable" to violate the Constitutional protection. For some strange reason people seem to leave out that clause and declare ALL search and seizure is unconstitutional.

 

I'm not saying it doesn't suit their interests to do it - I'm saying it doesn't suit mine to comply.

Nor am I saying anything at all about the constitution.

 

It doesn't suit your interest that the catch the person who did commit the crime and not waste their time have to ascertain it wasn't you by having to take you down to the police station and hold you until they can assure themselves it wasn't you. Isn't it in your best interest to clear the matter as quickly as possible?

But don't you agree? For some strange reason people seem to leave out that clause and declare ALL search and seizure is unconstitutional.

 

Nope, I prefer to not give my name or address in any circumstance, unless I know you or want to give it. Them having the support of others in society doesn't change much - I'll conform if the alternative is even more disagreeable, but that doesn't change the preference.

Some things I'm willing to accept significant risk*hazard, others quite little. Whether the hazard is natural, criminal, or from government - is inconsequential.

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Wow, I looked up the penalty and it's $200. If asked I'll refuse and cop the fine. Sounds like fun.

Yes, I agree with you. I am not debating what's in the constitution, I'll happily concede all of that.

 

And then you are likely to properly be taken to the station and detained until they can run your prints to try and determine who you are, and not the person for whom they are looking or until the determine who you are so they can formally charge you with the crime the have probable cause to charge you with. And guess what, a judge at a habeas corpus hearing will look at you and tell you that he is ordering you held until you do tell us who you are and we can verify that.

72 hours in jail ain't gonna be much fun.

Isn't in your best interest both to help the police find the REAL criminal and avoid 72 hours in jail?

 

Neither is living in a police state. Better to protest and scream bloody hell. If it get's to a shooting war, so be it. If we don't stand up for our rights under the Constitution of the United States of America, those rights will slowly be chipped away by both the Lefties and the Righties.

I see little difference between your attitude and Mayor Bloomberg.

 

She isn't the only one who needs to apologize.

 

Amen to that!

 

Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
72 hours in jail ain't gonna be much fun.

Strawman we don't live in a police state.

You are protected against UNREASONABLE search and seizure not ALL search and seizure.

There is nothing unreasonable about the police asking for your identification when they are investigating a possible crime.