Blue Cross/Blue Shield .......Leaves Obamacare

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BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee leaves Obamacare in Knoxville, Nashville, Memphis

http://wate.com/2016/09/26/blue-cross-blue-shield-of-tennessee-leaves-obamacare-in-knoxville-nashville-memphis/

In the latest blow to Obamacare, the Blue Cross Blue Shield of Tennessee has left the exchanges in the three biggest markets in Tennessee.
This nationwide trend is a telling death blow to the failures of federal interventionalism in health care markets.
It's happening in Minnesota, Arizona and North Carolina.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/24/483395844/minnesotas-largest-health-insurer-to-drop-individual-plans


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article59636351.html

Even where they talked one to remain in one market they are leaving the other:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/07/arizonas-blue-cross-reverses-obamacare-exit.html

The lessons of the British NIH must be learned here before we wind up with the same kind of heartless bureaucracy.
If you want the same kind of treatment our veterans get, Obamacare is for you. If you think dying in line waiting for care is a good option.

 

Excellent news. As a BC/BS private payer on an unsubsidized policy, I think it should help keep my rate increases in check.

 

Good. Let the rest follow suit. This is bound to happen when the government offers insurance so good that you're forced to have it or pay a fine.

 

I’m not sure what this has to do with the British system since the problem here seems to be a clash between profit-motivated private companies being unwilling (and trying to bring down) any system that seeks to limit their profiteering at the expense of public health. There are all sorts of different problems with healthcare system across the western world (with some shared root causes) but the situation in the US and thus the specific problems as a consequence are pretty much unique.

 

Its funny how medical procedures that are not covered by insurance are now cheaper than ever. Plastic surgery is an example. Government subsidies always raise the price of what ever they are subsidizing. Government subsidies are now responsible for the raise in the price of tuition and the bubble in tuition debt. Its the same thing that caused the housing bubble and the big crash. We have too much government

 

Yes. But it's funny how willing people seem to be with ignoring the facts. Here's a fact: Obamacare is collapsing under its own deficiencies. This is the program that was designed to control healthcare costs? That's as laughable as "you can keep your doctor"...

Anyone who thinks that government control over large swaths of the economy is a good thing needs to have their head examined by an Obamacare doctor.

 

Yep, hope it falls apart.

I didn't need any of this before, don't need it now.

 

Yeah that LOSING MONEY thing is a real deal breaker for those damned capitalist pigs huh?

 

Are you speaking from experience? I doubt that Britain's NHS is really that bad.

 

the British NIH system punishes the obese by allowing them to die, America's private health care system punishes obesity with higher costs.

private insurance is the lesser evil because it at least allows the rich who can afford to pay the premiums to live, while government insurance allows the sick to die quicker to save on costs for everyone else.

 

Hopefully this will pull us much closer to completely socialized system much like what Canada has.

 

Whether that’s true or not isn’t really my point. The fact remains that this issue is unique to the way the US healthcare system has developed and the entirely different British healthcare system has literally zero relevance.

This whole image of the British system being some kind of unmitigated disaster and any negative change in the US system is moving it closer to the British system is a demonstration of gross ignorance or gross dishonesty. Both systems face the same root problems, both address them in completely different ways and both have major problems to address implicit to those different approaches. They are so different that no meaningful comparison can really be made between then at all.

 

How much do we want to bet that these insurance providers leaving these exchanges aren't adjusting their rates back down to what they were prior to being a part of them. They've all hiked their rates and now they want to shed the ability for additional people to be insured in certain markets, which will likely have more added to that list.

 

Someone should tell the ignorant old witch Pelosi that the democrat only passage of obamacare is a failure. Democrats passed it and now we see what is in it, and it is not working. Most of the largest medical insurance providers has had to abandon obamacare because they were losing millions.

 

Along with tuition debt, I firmly believe the crippling effects O'care has on the medial complex, middle class & business is one of most under-reported stories in history. It's tragic. Warning bells continue to ring but the superficial media, which will spend countless hours trying to create news they can socially &/or politically sensationalize, refuses to investigate or report the cause & effects of O'care's (something that effects every person & business in the country) dark side. It's extremely irresponsible and only adds to the underbelly of frustration a great number of American's live with day in and day out.

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Hopefully not.

 

Well you're batting .000.
They both address the problem in the exact same way. It's called government intervention.
Every layer of it has caused new problems for your ******* politicians to "fix". Each time they drive the garbage narrative toward "single payer", which is just a euphemism for government control. Which is the exact model the NIH is. "single payer". Like duh.

 

Here we go with the bullcrap narrative again. They can't BY LAW reduce their coverages of other policy holders, so they can't BY LAW reduce their rates for those consumers.
What they did was save the PAYING CUSTOMERS from footing the bill for the moocher class.

 

Where will our politicians fly to get care?

 

This garbage of needing to experience something before you know it's bad is ludicrous. I know not to put my hand on a hot stove eye without having to experience it. So lay off the bull.
People die of cancer while waiting for the 9 months to seek treatment. Yeah, it's really that bad.

 

If you’re unable (or unwilling) to recognise the blatant differences between healthcare systems in different countries, there’s no point discussing them. I’m especially not interested if you’re going to continue with the childish insults.

 

If they didn't reduce the rate for the paying customers, then the paying customers are paying more money for nothing at all. The rate increases were said to have been necessary to cover the influx of new uninsured people. If those uninsured people aren't going to have access to this coverage from this company any more, then they just made a tidy buck by increasing their rates for everyone, by law or not.

 

It is not a completely socialized system and it is moving more towards more privitization as it continues to fail just like the other socialized systems in the world and the attempt to socialize it here.

"Father" of Canadian Health Care Admits its a Failure

ust yesterday, I wrote about how unpopular the British healthcare system has become. Today comes news that the man largely responsible for Canada's conversion to a single-payer health care system has admitted the system's failure:

"Back in the 1960s, (Claude) Castonguay chaired a Canadian government committee studying health reform and recommended that his home province of Quebec — then the largest and most affluent in the country — adopt government-administered health care, covering all citizens through tax levies.

The government followed his advice, leading to his modern-day moniker: "the father of Quebec medicare." Even this title seems modest; Castonguay's work triggered a domino effect across the country, until eventually his ideas were implemented from coast to coast."

Four decades later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay concluded that the system is in "crisis."

"We thought we could resolve the system's problems by rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money into it," says Castonguay. But now he prescribes a radical overhaul: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."

As more and more nations throughout the world seek to infuse more private, market-based solutions into their government-controlled healthcare systems, for some reason lefties in this country want to make the same mistake that countries like Canada made decades ago. Let's hope voters in North Carolina and across the US wake up, or else we may be forced to confront "rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money" into a system that even one of its pioneers admits to being a failure.
http://civitasreview.com/healthcare/father-of-canadian-health-care-admits-its-a-failure/

 

Kids often do need to burn themselves before they learn about not touching hot things, actually, but never mind that.

I think you do need to know what you're talking about before you attack the NHS. So far, I see an unsubstantiated generalisation about people dying of cancer while waiting to seek treatment. I know of a YouTube celebrity, John Bain, aka "TotalBiscuit", who is a Brit receiving cancer treatment as we speak. He's never complained about that service.

 

Heard a commentator today saying that Hillary REALLY doesn't have a problem with the millennium voters because they all LOVE Obamacare and think it is great.

Well if they all love it so much then why aren't they buying policies and paying their fair share of the cost of it.

Oh and they want everyone else to pay the college debts off for them and Hillary is going to do that too.

Ask not what your country.................oh just forget it.

 

It is for Bill and Hillary. Oh snap!