The key to this one is that Churchill never dreamed that the UK would be part of that united states of Europe. He did not include us in that statement. We must build a united states of Europe for them. The only abrogation of sovereignty Churchill was proposing, was Germany's.
Brexit just means WE'RE NOT THE EU. So who are the EU? We don't know until after Brexit if the EU are friend or foe.
First of all, Churchill wanted this for Continental Europe and said that Britain shouldn't be in it but it should work with Britain and America. What Churchill saw was Bongo Bongo Land from National Socialists to Fascists - In short, he suggested that Hitler's peace time solution in the event of an Axis victory just adopts The Anglo System and leaves Britain out of it and himself said that the Manga Carta's greatest endorsement was The Bill of Rights (I paraphrase).
We're not the EU, so how can they rule us? The EU = our customers or our competitors. I for 1 believe it's the latter so Germany has to be sanctioned for Greece and bank rolling the EU and if the EU stands by Germany, then the world'd have to boycott the EU if France side with Germany and allow their bank rollers to break the Lisbon Treaty article 125. So the competition it is, since Germany broke the treaty and nobody in the EU done a damn thing about it. time for UK/USA and others to do something about the EU for allowing Germany to bank roll it. Remember, the EU is a castle built on sand.
Our politicians are predominantly EU. That is how they rule us. It's a social pyramid and they simply take positions above the local leaders. A higher court. A more senior parliament. That is the traditional model for empirical conquest. They bribe our leaders to work for them and not us. (If indeed they ever did work for us and not themselves). We are indeed in direct competition with many EU country's industries and people. Inside the EU outside the EU, that won't ever change, If Germany wishes to bankroll the EU, good. That is the purpose of the EU. Churchill's dream come true. The EU is just another palace full of ********s. 1 cruise missile and it's gone.
The jobsworths rule us by making laws and if we don't comply they fine us big bucks - alright then, big euros! They're gonna miss our £zillions when we're gone and they know it!
Indeedy-doody! It's why I admire the French so much - when the French refused to lift the ban on our beef exports, the jobsworths hit them with a fine; but instead of paying it the French told them to take a hike. To use an analogy to prove how dumb we are by comparison . . . Brussels says 'Jump', and the stupid Brits ask 'How high?' Well the days of them snickering at us behind their hands at our stupidity are over, and not a moment too soon.
errmm... didn't the frogs capitulated when the EU100M was due to be imposed? They were all cocky and headstrong up to that point then the EU said bolloks to that drop the ban or pay.... they folded.
The frogs capitulated when they tested their own cows and needed a source of uncontaminated beef to eat.
I remember the stand-off but (TS) to use Baff's word, I obviously missed the capitulation. We wouldn't've said 'Boo!' to a bloody goose, we'd have said 'Here you are, oh Lords and Masters - do we owe you any interest for not paying the same day you asked for it?'
Amazing how you fellows don't know Churchill despite apparently adoring the fellow! He clearly referred to Britain giving up sovereignty. That includes an European army.
Churchill is dead, he died a lifetime ago... And it's 2017/18... People handling Brexit don't think 'What did Churchill say?' because that would be stupid.
During the leave campaign Churchill was misquoted in the same way. It was an attempt to deceive, nothing more. A quote taken out of context and misrepresented to mean the exact opposite of what Churchill had written on the subject. Propaganda. Unfortunately not a propaganda that survives first inspection. Few politicians have done more to curb the spread of socialism than Winston Churchill. An unlikely role model for their cause. As Rhetoric says it makes no difference what he thinks. He's dead. What it does clearly demonstrate however is the perversity of those who seek to rule us. They will say anything. Absolutely anything. No matter how stupid, how clearly wrong or how blatantly fraudulent. No matter how obvious to us all the lie. They will say anything at all, to get control over you. And of course, these people are never to be allowed that control they seek. As they won't just sacrifice the truth for their dreams, they will sacrifice me. No words that they speak are to be believed. Typically the exact opposite of what they say is true. So if they say "leaving the EU will cost you money" then it will earn you money. If they say leaving the EU will start WW3, then it will prevent it. If they say leaving the EU will cause businesses to leave, then it will cause them to stay and so on.. Just as the Churchill story turned out to be the exact opposite of the truth, all the other stories are too. Politicians lie.
Its Brexiteers that bring up Churchill. It just happens he was inconveniently pro-European as, perhaps because of his obsession with Russia, he was willing to give up sovereignty. The use of Churchill is interesting mind you. It demonstrates where nationalism out-trumps rational discourse.
Better we get out now. And I mean totally get out! No endless transitions deals, no endless payments into the EU coffers. We voted to leave, we had all the arguments for continued membership, all the fear that what would happen to us if we left during the EU referendum debate ... and stil the UK population voted to leave. So we should leave & let Britain be free from the EU. To replay the same arguments that were presented during the run up to the referendum is to just bang the same old drum that lost the debate in 2016.
It will go to the wire, and probably far beyond it if they can make it happen, because there are too many pockets/bank accounts being filled all the while they can keep it going. God I can't look at (the Polish bloke - can't remember what his effing name is right now) without realising how much I loathe the bloody jobsworth-in-chief.
That's what the dumbing down agenda has been all about - in a generation nobody will have the nous, not only to realise what they're up to, but nor to challenge them about it, because the gormless masses will be too preoccupied voting contestants off the ****ing 'Jungle' thing, and Big Brother sh-it! Actually we're already there - Idiocracy is here, and it's now!