Brigham Young University in Jerusalem and peace in the Middle East

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    I could be wrong.... I often am.....
    but I personally believe that President Donald J. Trump gathered his family together back in 2014 or 2015 and he warned them all about what would happen if he would announce his intentions to campaign for the office of President of the United States of America.

    I believe that President Trump knew that there would be many attempts on his life.......
    (and rumour has it that there were forty or more serious attempts on his life in the first two years of his Presidency)........
    I believe that all of President Trump's family agreed to the risks involved..... in other words they agreed to risk their lives in order to play out the role of a family who
    would be willing to die in order to attempt to save as many Americans as possible........

    but this is not limited to merely America........

    because America leads the whole world!!!!!!

    In a sense, Bill Gates, George Soros, Al Gore, Dr. Tony Fauci and many other are working on an alternative Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems to the one that I have explained.......
    and their plan involves sterilization and depopulation as advised by Malthus in 1798........


    ....... I believe that a reality film series donated to Mr. Barron Trump could pay off the national debts of The United States, the National debt of Israel, Australia, New Zealand, The Netherlands and Canada.... .just as an opening gambit........

    I believe that a significant part of this reality plus semi-reality science fiction film series.... . (that takes place in what would seem to be the past.... for example an alternative universe 2012 to 2022 that explains what may have been going on behind the scenes over this past decade... that none of us needed to know about...... because we were on a need to know basis.... .and we DID NOT need to know).... should be produced in the nation of Israel.......!!!!

    and I have somebody in mind who I believe could play the role of the final Elijah far, far, far, far, far, far , far better than I could........

    and when he prays for me.... .I may just get hit with some serious fire.......

    You can find one of his articles here......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...f-elijah-needed.499830/page-7#post-1073707850
     
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    Rabbi Walker & William Koenig discuss his book "Eye To Eye" 09 29 2017

    " 2017 Expanded Edition. Over one hundred billion-dollar, record-setting catastrophes and/or events occurred while US presidents George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump were pressuring or calling on Israel to divide their covenant land. The costliest insurance events, the costliest hurricanes, the largest tornado outbreaks, the " Perfect Storm," the 9/11 terror events, and Hurricane Katrina corresponded to White House pressure on Israel to divide their land. The US, the UN, and the EU do not have the authority to divide God s covenant land. Calling the Israeli-Palestinian talks "Middle East peace talks" is a false narrative. Jews have a three-thousand-year history with Jerusalem, and Christians have a two-thousand-year history. The biblical heartland of Israel - Judea, Samaria, and East Jerusalem - is not to be part of an Arab State. The Bible declares that Jerusalem will become a burdensome stone, and efforts to divide the city and land will lead to Armageddon, the final battle for Jerusalem. The God of Israel will continue to rebuke those leaders and their nations attempting to divide His land! "
     
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    Or why believe a Prophet is a pedophile. From my reading, her Father requested she be sealed to Joseph Smith in the Temple. So it wasn't a marriage in the classic sense, with consummation. Nor were any children from them mentioned. Did you know that Mary, Mother of Jesus, was promised to Joseph who was an old man when she was twelve. And they were married when she was fourteen. Joseph even rebelled at the idea because she was younger than his own Grandchildren from a former marriage. But the Priests insisted that it was Gods will, and he would be under condemnation if he didn't marry her. In point, there are more to things than what meets the eye.
     
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    Yeah Warren Jeffs claims it’s gods will to marry children too. There are no priests in the Mormon religion. There are bishops. Don’t know what you’re reading if you want to send a link go for it.

    The LDS religion also does not deny that it was a marriage. I’m multiple places in this article they admit it was a marriage

    https://ldsanswers.org/did-joseph-smith-marry-a-14-year-old-girl/

    however they do defend it as being a social norm at the time and research outside of their hand selected sources in this article will dispute that claim. It was not normal at all.
     
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    Jeffs isn't a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints which was established by Joseph Smith. He's part of a breakaway sect which has no place or part in the LDS Church. And a teen being sealed/married to Smith in accordance with hers and her Fathers will and request doesn't make Smith a pedophile. It's a ridiculous exaggeration to say so. And is like boiling away a tub of water until all that remains is some crusty minerals and nothing to drink. BTW, every worthy elder (including Bishops) in the Church, hold the Priesthood. The young door to door Missionaries you see riding bikes carry the Aaronic and Melchizedek Priesthoods, having the authority to teach and baptize with water and fire(holy ghost).
     
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    The priesthood and priests are not the same thing. The FLDS is closer to Joseph smiths beliefs than the LDS. You couldn’t name one thing Warren Jeff’s done that Joseph smith didn’t as far as religious acts are concerned
     
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    I also was not aware that a father giving the approval for a 14 year old to marry a 37 year old was the defining line between a pedophile and a non pedophile. Where did you get this info?
     
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    I don't get your "priest" angle. A priest without a priesthood isn't a priest. LOL. I mentioned the Jewish priests in passing as the authority during Joseph and Mary's time. Joseph Smith died a hundred years before Jeff's was even born. And Jeff's has no hand in any matter of the Church's founding, which was 125 years before his birth. So to equate him with Smith or the Church which Smith founded is utter nonsense.
     
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    Are you saying that Mary's Husband Joseph was a pedophile? Smith had many wives, some in their fifties and seventies. He was in his thirties. All but one would be considered emancipated adults. That doesn't make him a pedophile. Would a pedophile marry and support a 78 year old woman? Get real. Clearly there is something else in play here which has nothing to do with your own prurient interests and desire to disparage a man you don't know and never met.
     
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    Why not equate them? They both believed in polygamy, they both had under age wives, they both arranged marriages with underage girls, they both were imprisoned all justifiable in their own beliefs. Those would not be justifiable under the LDS religion yet are under the FLDS so Joseph smith is far closer to him and the FLDS than any other person or religion in recent history. Those are all facts. Just as you were in denial that it was not a marriage but a simple sealing. He was married to her and that’s a fact just as everything else I have pointed out.

    To Joseph smith is not a pedophile is like claiming Warren Jeffs is not a pedophile. They literally done the same thing in those terms.
     
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    Jeffs had older wives as well. Does that make him free from the guilt of pedophilia
     
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    It’s obvious that you are part of the LDS and that’s fine. Joseph smith done some remarkable things. Like translating a complex book at the age 10. That’s nothing short of a miracle. I’m not here to question your faith. But Joseph smith was still a man and a man not free of perversions in my opinion. That religion (LDS) is not bad nor are the people in it. I think if the government worked its welfare system like the Mormons work theirs we would be far better off. They’re also a religion rooted in free agency and individualism and private property rights . Ezra Taft Benson is a political figure I idolize. That church is a good church. I’m just simply not a fan of early LDS leaders.
     
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    I don't know about Jeffs. So I have no clue what he is or isn't. You claimed Joseph Smith was a pedophile. I said he supposedly had 49 wives, 48 of which were adults, some in their fifties and seventies, while Smith was in his thirties. He was sealed to one underage girl as a favor to a friend and fellow member. That doesn't make him a pedophile. If you have 48 American made cars and one import. Do you collect imports? It wouldn't surprise me to find out that many of his marriages were out of compassion and pity, to take care of women who had lost their husbands or had no one to care for them. Remember, this was in the 1840's, slavery was in full swing, with Indian and Mexican wars. And the west was territories, not states. Utah was not a State. And there was no transcontinental railroad yet. Furthermore, polygamy wasn't illegal.
     
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    That does make him a pedophile. He also was sealed/married to his wife’s maid that he cheated on her with. She too was under age. He was in my opinion a pedophile. At the very least he was a pervert.
     
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    If that comforts you, then hang onto it. Joseph Smith was a Prophet chosen by God to restore his true Gospel. So if you want to follow some misty tangent from that to say he was a pedophile, when you weren't there and had zero first hand knowledge of it, then talk away.
     
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    I do know that he would not only be expelled from the current LDS he would also not be allowed in their temples. Alcohol, Tobacco, under age sex, multiple wives. All of which the current religion does not tolerate.
     
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    Polygamy was Church doctrine until the US government outlawed it in 1890. So the Church complied and ceased the practice. Therefore Smith, previous to this and long since passed away, wasn't in violation of either the Church or the nations laws at the time. I don't know about your claims of smoking and drinking. Furthermore, being wed to a fourteen year old, and under age sex are two different things. Our nation is currently awash in promiscuity, under age sex, abortion, out of wedlock births, alcoholism and perversity. So to focus on an honorable sealing ceremony between two agreeable parties nearly two hundred years ago, seems to miss the mark in the levying of fault. It defies logic and reason.
    You've yet to respond in regards to Mary's Husband Joseph, who at the time she was promised to him, was himself a Grandfather, and Mary herself was only twelve years old. They officially married two years later when she was fourteen. Was Joseph a pedophile by following Gods will and marrying a young girl? Do you have first hand knowledge of her physical and psychological maturity/immaturity? Are you aware that it was Gods spirit that caused her to conceive her first child, and that she was a virgin? Are you saying that God is a pedophile? Are you claiming that the author of Christian salvation was a fatherless fraud? Levying fault is as easy as drinking a river with your eyes, ignoring the truth or honing a shiv for the cause of murder.
     
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    First of all the government outlawed polygamy in 1862. 1890 was when the LDS abandoned it in exchange for statehood, not because of a divine assignment. Which also coincidently led to the FLDS. The church never complied until they wanted statehood.

    But yes that law was still after Joseph smiths death. And I also never claimed he broke laws on polygamy. What I am claiming is that he was a class A pervert/pedophile. If I knew a guy marrying children to adults and was married to a child himself (like Warren Jeff’s and Joseph Smith) I definitely wouldn’t idolize him and likely would run them across the plains too.


    I have met polygamists and I think they are a disgusting person to the core. The FLDS are what the founding principles of the LDS were. The F literally stands for fundamental. They still believe Joseph smith was a prophet as well. They also would not define him as a pedophile because their current prophet and all men in that religion still lives by the original fundamentals that Joseph smith created.

    don’t tell me about gods will. Warren Jeffs says he’s married to his young wives because of gods will too. That’s no excuse for me.
     
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    My understanding is that prophets are merely human and can make colossal errors.......
    King David wrote some off the scale prophetic writing but then committed adultery and murder but........
    his falling into terrible and serious sins helped to set the stage for the repentance of the Apostle Paul who might have had a terrible time forgiving himself for murdering Messianic Jews....and arguably even worse.... compelling them to blaspheme before they died............

    We all know that Psalm chapter fifty one must have played a huge role in the restoration of The Apostle Paul in those years after his Damascus Road experience....
     
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    "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." Revelation 12:9

    So not only are Gods servants mere men. But the devil is their accuser.
     
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    Warren Jeff’s would say the same thing.
     
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    Is he your spiritual leader?
     
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    He is no leader in my opinion but his man similarities to the early Mormons and in fact follows the early Mormon teachings before it was corrupted by politics.
     
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    Actually at first there was no polygamy. Polygamy was an addition for whatever reason by God. Then the US government outlawed it. The Church fought it in court. After all appeal failed, the government was poised to take all control over the Church. The Church President at the time received inspiration from God to discontinue the practice. So they did, eventually having to excommunicate members who persisted in the practice. Those excommunicated members formed their own Church, the FLDS. It was into this sect that Jeffs was born fifty years later. So the FLDS Church isn't aligned with the original Church established by Joseph Smith. And they remain unaffiliated with the original Church, as well as contrary to the laws of the nation. One of the original revelations or Church doctrines from God is to obey the laws of the land. The FLDS Church is contrary to God, Gods Church, and the nation. And there is nothing special about stubbornness except that it is a law unto itself. It may have its appeal. But that isn't necessarily Gods stamp of approval.
     
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