But for republicans, there was no 1964 Civil Rights act nor the voting act

Techically true. Without Republican help, the democrats would not have been able to get these legislations that they proposed through. It just really comes down to math. Southerners of both parties voted against the CRA bill of 1964. The southern republicans were even more opposed to the bill than the democrats. It's just that there were a lot more southern democrats than republicans.
Notice that by region dems were more for it, and less against it than republicans. Distribution is what made the difference. Of course let's not forget that it is today's republicans who have repeatedly voted against continuing the Voting Rights Act (you know, because racism is over)
I will certainly give full credit to the repubs of the 60s for working and participating in the CRA and VRA and overcoming the asshoes of the south who were opposed to it, but let's stop pretending they championed that cause. It's just not true.

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

 

Right. Democrats control popular language and have secret mind control technology that makes people change words’ meaning over time.

 

Thank you. And more than that, watch them redefine their own party and tell us when they crossed over from hating blacks to loving blacks. They make up all kinds of silly nonsense.

 

This is the twisting and spinning I speak of often that happens when Democrats try to prove we republicans were the bungholes and they were the good guys.

Democrats are democrats due to a holding to a central philosophy that republicans do not agree with. And voting rights is not the dividing line.

Naturally they will use the South as a whipping boy trying to claim it is them and not other areas that are racists.

How easy do blacks have it in northern cities and yes, even cities on the west coast and East Coast?

 

LBJ a bastion of Civil Rights? Maybe in the history books. LBJ was the first modern day "Plantation Cracker". He herded black folks to grow a Democrat power base. Any idea what he said behind closed doors? I'll not post that here, it's demeaning to black people. It's all out there for you to research though. Knock yourself out.

 

Lincoln was an outlaw compared to the earlier presidents. And he invaded states that had voted for the freedom of the residents of the states. Sure, not for blacks, but the Civil was was not about blacks rights.

Washington remains the champion slave owner since he amassed such wealth that I was told by a guide at Mt. Vernon that today he would rank 57 wealthiest. But that was a few years back so numbers may have changed.

When I use the word Liberal, I speak of it kindly and use it to explain those who supported human freedom. Again, we are not mentioning blacks since their slavery had long been acceptable. Most of the north accepted slavery. It was a case of a minority view of the time finally being accepted by Lincoln and he rode over the law by his emancipation proclamation that was entirely illegal. There would never been an amendment to the constitutions as to race had his proclamation been lawful. The change made slavery illegal for the first time.

Democrats were content with the label conservative until in the 1960-65 period in modern times. When i was a child, FDR accepted blacks as inferior citizens since he used them separately in his enormous war. Truman came from the north so he saw a major problem and integrated the US military forces. But he was a different sort of Democrat. I saw Truman the living president on the West coast as a early teen boy and at the time supported only Democrats.

 

Yep. 1860's -- as well as the 1960's.

The Solid South = conservative.

 

Nah, simply not true. But Democrats have so many definitions of Conservative. They even use it as a pejorative.

My Grandfather on mom's side is the grandfather i knew and though I did not quite then understand him, since he was a very devoted Democrat and per my mom, was once a card carrying communist, was a product of Texas, Arkansas and Oklahoma and finally California.

Mom troubled me at times to explain her father to me and my siblings. Mom was adamant that particular words never get used in the family home. Using the N word might get one smacked. But make no mistake, my family was raised in the ways of the South. Calling my family conservative in any fashion is not true.

I never heard Mom nor Dad comment on the Johnson law. Nor would they give republicans a bit of credit. I had just got home from the Army and was not really of a mind to dwell on politics then. My mind was on my new wife and her two kids and making certain we all had a roof over our head and food on hand. My construction job then was not super secure. My dad was a well respected boss but it was a huge construction corporation and the top bosses in New York City may never have heard of my dad. They sure never heard of me. I was laid off plenty of times from 1958 until late in 1967. At times they made me the boss. I worked hard to rise in the company.

I can't think of any of my family that came from the south one could label conservative these days. Back then, they defined things different than Democrats do this moment.

 

I wish more Democrats valued what George Washington and our founders managed to do for all of us. Were they conservatives to the Monarchy of England? I doubt England saw them that way. But this is the group who were in the South. Washington and a good number of presidents were from the South.

So why are they hated by modern Democrats?

Slavery you say?

Why are so many slave owning presidents so highly ranked? And you Democrats own this nations history. The South produced Democrats. Why do you kick your own founders in the teeth?

 

Southern Conservatives (regardless of party affiliation) were clearly the "bungholes".

 

A very famous history professor said this Robert:

"No Republican here should kid themselves about it: the greatest leaders in fighting for an integrated America in the 20th century were in the Democratic Party. The fact is, it was the liberal wing of the Democratic Party that ended segregation. ....And the fact is, every Republican has much to learn from studying what the Democrats did right."

 

Great...THAT Republican Party is gone, replaced by what used to be racist Southern Democrats. Robert YOU switched from being a Dem right around then didn't you?

 

Truman was from Kansas City and maybe you never heard of the Tuskegee Airmen...or the 92nd Inf Div.

Just two of the MANY (in fact all) inaccuracies in that garbage post

 

Here's a little bit of history for you Robert. These were Some of FDR's black soldiers. The 761st Tank Battalion. Patton's Black Panthers

During the 183 days Patton’s Panthers, the 761st Tank Battalion, were in continuous combat, they participated in four major Allied campaigns, including the Battle of The Bulge. They inflicted more than 130,000 casualties upon the enemy. Eight black enlisted men received battlefield commissions, while 391 received decorations for heroism: 7 Silver Stars for Valor (three posthumously); 56 Bronze Stars for Valor; and 246 Purple Hearts. Three officers and 31 enlisted men were killed in action, and 22 officers and 180 enlisted men were wounded.

In 1997, 53 years after sacrificing his life on the battlefield, Sergeant Ruben Rivers was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. In 1998, the 761stTank Battalion (deactivated) received a Presidential Unit Citation, the highest award that a unit can receive.

 

"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism.

All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

Johnson was also afraid of the same thing but was a political animal and could see the handwriting on the wall. This after never voting for any anti-lynching law when in the Senate.

 

I have yet to verify this about the part of TX where Johnson was raised, but tend to think it most likely lacked blacks. He used the N word constantly. I doubt he signed the law out of respect. I think he saw that he would be tarred and feathered had he not signed the law.

 

I read that as racism on the part of King. Notice he does not stipulate what took palace at the Cow Palace so it is pure conjecture and bigotry by King.

i have been to the Cow Palace yet never heard of any presence of the KKK. And at the time, who were the radicals? They were the free speech movement at UC Berkeley.

 

lol

Of course you did.

We know you Robert. You've revealed too much.

That you don't know what went down there in1964 is all on you.

 

Let this man who was around at the time Cowsplain it to you:

"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right.

The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade.

It was both unfortunate and disastrous that the Republican Party nominated Barry Goldwater as its candidate for President of the United States.

Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century.
...
On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand.

In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.

While I had followed a policy of not endorsing political candidates, I felt that the prospect of Senator Goldwater being President of the United States so threatened the health, morality, and survival of our nation, that I could not in good conscience fail to take a stand against what he represented."

-Martin Luther King, Jr.

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/chapter-23-mississippi-challenge

 

Take a look where Johnson was born? I can visualize some Mexicans there but do you think Blacks lived there when he was born and raised?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...59f45bf983844b!8m2!3d30.2360359!4d-98.6644769

I was born a Democrat yet did not live among blacks. We had no black students. It was my junior year i met my first black student but he played football and was extremely dumb. He was too dumb to be in my courses.

His memory was not there. Football plays had to be explained to him as we played other teams. He forgot them all.

What I am telling all of you is when you do not live among blacks, it is next to impossible to form views of them as kids.

 

The Cow palace is not a place where racists would go to hang out. It is very close to San Francisco. That part of CA was almost void of blacks.

We know you better than you know me. I am pro freedom. Why not join me?

 

Trivia question for the younguns:

Q: Where was the 1964 GOP convention held, nominating the GOP candidate who was against the Civil Rights Act?

A: The Cow Palace.

 

this is the same Sheriff who sits back quietly as his prison staff abuses and murders prisoners.