Looks like it would get the job done. [video=youtube;4U40ArShS6M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U40ArShS6M[/video] But it doesn't matter how powerful the round is, if you miss.
Or you might have gotten real lucky. You could of course tell us all about it, just like TD did with his experience. It's not about hate of Cooper, it's about a legendary figure who might not have been so legendary. The so called modern method caught on, was promoted by him and became dogmatic within the LE community. In the process, shooting ability and hit rates plummeted. The worst part of it was that is was totally dogmatic and promoted by his disciples. You have to ask yourself how many LEO's lost their lives because of it? A good analogy was the 1986 Miami FBI shootout. Here's gun dogma gone wild. The blame ultimately fell on the 9mm when it was really the specific type of ammo used, inadequate training and tactics. We were led down the road to the 10mm then to the 40. Ultimately LEO's are making the move back to the 9mm with better ammo, the most logical and best conclusion in the first place. What LEO's used for years was a method developed by a gun writer, without a lick of practical, LEO or real pistol fight experience. We're really on the same side here. Besides if everyone is thinking the same, then no one is thinking. Food for thought.
Nice response. Gee, too bad you couldn't have come up with that after my first comment about never heard anyone calling him a fraud.
Bravo, that's the most critical aspect of firearms and it always gets overlooked while people pontificate about narrow issues. The bottom line is whether the person using the firearm was successful in accomplishing his objective, and in almost all cases that is a function of many things much more important than caliber, energy, bullet structure.
You could have answered a bit differently. I answered your initial question with a question because there's just so much stuff about him that is potentially very questionable. Just remember we're on the same side here. In many ways Cooper was the equivalent of Peter Capstick the African hunting writer. Capstick did hold an unrestricted PH license, however his real job was mostly as a camp manager, one with a significant drinking problem. Most of Capstick's stories were about other PH's but with himself written in. He was, however a superb writer and he knew it. His books were a large part of the renaissance in African hunting that began in the 80's. Just about everyone involved in the safari business knew Capstick was FOS, but he was very very good for business. He gave credit to just about everyone, knowing that no one was going to say anything otherwise as long as the clients kept coming. They did and Capstick became a legend in the process.
Quickly googling "Jeff Cooper fraud". Nothing comes up. Nothing about being a fraud associated with his name. Not spending all day on it either, because I have heard some exaggerations about Elmer Keith as well. I was not a student of Coopers either, never bought any of his books as well. But read a lot of scripts and parsed parts of his books and stories by other gun writers. Never did any of them seem to think he was BSing.
You can start by googling a Truth about Guns article with a Cooper vs Ayoob title. You'll find it interesting and get the picture then. Rule # 1 is that nobody attacks Jeff and you sure as hell don't question his credentials. Credentials are often inflated. Case in point. Bill Clinton is often credited with being a Rhode's Scholar. He wasn't, he was a Rhode's Scholar candidate, but was too busy smoking dope and chasing skirt to finish the degree program. Cooper is credited about developing the so called scout rifle concept. However, Golden State Arms was reconditioning old SMLE's into scout rifle equivalents in the 40's and 50's only a few miles from where he lived. As a gun writer there was no way he didn't know about these. Add a long eye relief scope and now you've developed a "whole new concept" in firearms? Right. It wouldn't have been about the money would it? He was correctly introduced and identified as Editor at Large of Guns and Ammo. This was often shortened to Editor. Of course, most people don't know what an Editor at Large means. It's simply a freelance writer with a degree of control over his/her content. There's a huge difference. Self promotion goes a long way especially with a thin resume. We only have to look at our current POTUS.
The biggest take a way from Cooper that I ever read or heard was "mindset". Also you used by other "technique" guys and trainers throughout the world. If you don't have the mindset to fight, gun or other wise, its best just to take flight. Fight or flight. Period. Now did he ever have to use said mindset? Don't know. Only know what I read.
None of that was new. A Cooper apologist once wrote that Col. Jefe didn't invent the things he wrote about, he simply "codified" them. Translate that into borrowing or outright stealing the idea without giving credit to the real originators. Here's two classics. Cooper was often stated as either inventing or designing the Bren Ten. He didn't, Thomas Dornaus and Michael Dixon did. These two guys unfortunately sought out Cooper for advice, who reportedly was "working" on a similar gun. Yep, all from a guy without a shred of gun smithing or engineering experience. Funny how his design disappeared like an Obama birth certificate. He's also credited with the development of the 10mm cartridge and it's stated on wiki as him being the designer. Cooper's input into this was about design parameters. That's like saying I need a pretty girlfriend with big tits to impress my friends. The real work was done by a guy named Whit Collins who did know what he was doing and is the true designer of the cartridge. That might start you thinking a bit.
Fired from a rifle, with the same bullet weight, probably similar. With the .22 Mag. fired from a pistol though, certainly not. .22 Mag. is loaded for longer barrels, so it has slow burning powder. Look at how the velocities compare by bullet weight and barrel length here: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22mag.html With the 5.7, velocity is over 2,000 fps from the pistol or rifle. One of its' big selling points.
It's not so much how fast the bullet travels but what does it do when it gets to it's target. I found this page http://world.guns.ru/ammunition/pistol-cartridges-e.html Converted to foot pounds from Joules for the metrically challenged It shows the good old .45, although slow moving carries a fair bit of energy, anywhere from 356 to 530 foot pounds The 9mm is surprisingly comparable at between 340 to 557 foot pounds The .357 SIG give a respectable 573 foot pounds and the 10mm a very healthy 676 foot pounds (making it the winner in the power stakes, unless you count the S&W .460 Magnum at 2400 foot pounds ) Surprisingly the 7.63x25 Mauser of 1896 can still be pushed to 607 foot pounds and finally the FN 5.7 gives 380 foot pounds, just above the lowest energy levels of both the .45 and 9mm. If you get hit by any of them, it will leave a mark.
OK... "what it does when it gets to the target". The 5.7 uses a 40 gr. varmint bullet that isn't likely to penetrate much. I wouldn't want to be hit by one, of course, but I wouldn't want to depend on one for defense, either.
