California is drying out

here comes the rain..enjoy the next three weeks of rain..and dont cry now that we are getting too much rain

 

What rain? Nobody has told this central coast California resident.

What a difference a year makes. Snow is what keeps us going waterwise through the summer.
http://sierraclub.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b96069e201a51109c98d970c-pi

 

having to shovel snow today..if you need water i will flush my toilet twice for you

 

Are you here to discuss or to troll?

 

Just to be reminded there is an upside to our drought. I can lower my lawn standards - legally.

http://www.sacbee.com/2014/04/18/6336142/sacramento-residents-can-let-lawns.html

 

Granny says, "Well den...

... mebbe all dem California crazies'll...

... shrivel up an' blow away."

 

careful what you wish for , you just might get it.

California drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 years, scientists say


California's current drought is being billed as the driest period in the state's recorded rainfall history. But scientists who study the West's long-term climate patterns say the state has been parched for much longer stretches before that 163-year historical period began.

And they worry that the "megadroughts" typical of California's earlier history could come again.

Through studies of tree rings, sediment and other natural evidence, researchers have documented multiple droughts in California that lasted 10 or 20 years in a row during the past 1,000 years -- compared to the mere three-year duration of the current dry spell. The two most severe megadroughts make the Dust Bowl of the 1930s look tame: a 240-year-long drought that started in 850 and, 50 years after the conclusion of that one, another that stretched at least 180 years.

"We continue to run California as if the longest drought we are ever going to encounter is about seven years," said Scott Stine, a professor of geography and environmental studies at Cal State East Bay. "We're living in a dream world.

 

Thanks to jackdog for posting that!

In spite of all the things that brought settlers to the once-fertile land of California, cycles of droughts and torrential rains are not uncommon. Before the Spanish, California Indians lived hand-to-mouth and thousands died when the land dried up and they had nothing to eat.

Hispanic irrigation and agriculture helped some. But, overpopulation has always presented a danger of weather cycles causing severe problems.

As I have pointed out time and time again, the only solution is to no longer rely upon the weather but to use the scientific knowledge we not have to turn the endless seawater into water to feed the hunger of the cities and provide relief to the agricultural community.

 

if the Earth is cycling back to the weather patterns that occurred during the medieval warm period as appears likely I would not expect the SW to see and relief for several decades. The anthropological aspects of climatology was an important factor in the lives of the Europeans and American Indians of the south west but also in pre Colombian civilizations of Central and South America. Some civilizations thrived while other perished. The Incas of S America moved higher into the Andes and used the glacier melt off and terraced farming to thrive.

 

Probably an apples and oranges comparison. CO2 appears to be the bigger driver today while greater solar radiation seems to have supplied much of the warming push in the MWP and the rise now seems to be unusually rapid, not to mention it has become a lot warmer now. We're moving out of nature's Holocene phase into our own self-created Anthropocene period.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/ipcc2007/fig6-10b.png

 

People who believe Co2 is important because of the political effects. Follow the money of the AGW and it leads straight to billionaires and millionaires who buy politicians who buy the scientists with grants . The fact is the higher Co2 becomes the less the effect any additional Co2 added becomes. Molar absorption is logarithmic in nature and even if it was not Co2 is a minor league player in the greenhouse effect because of the narrow width of the wavelength it absorbs

 

I still chuckle over the silliness of the warmists. If you claim a region as cold, it's local and nothing to do with climate change/ global warming, however, when the weather of California feeds their needs, it is all about climate change/ global warming. It is a hoot!

Sorry, Edit: It is also funny the discussions about lake meade and its water levels. Well, dah maybe there are too many people who use the water. When that lake was created behind the dam, there were limited homes, now it is jammed with people. Let's don't point out the obvious things, nope, stick to the fantasy that is more realistic.

 

even funnier when they claim that factors which caused past warming trends have nothing to do with the current one when they have not a clue as to what those factors were.

I was a AGW believer until William Connolley and the IPCC decided to erase the MWP from Wikipedia because it did not fit the smoothed data they use in their hockey stick graphs

 

I propose a massive international water pipeline project here in the US along the lines of the interstate highway system built in the '50s. Imagine if the flood waters from the Mississippi and Missouri valleys that destroy peoples homes and farmlands almost every year could be pumped into reservoirs in Arizona and California. We should also work on state of the art desalinization plants and pipelines from the coast to the deserts and valleys. Those would be worthwhile projects for the Federal Government along with private construction companies to get involved in right now. This would put millions to work and upgrade the US infrastructure immensely.

Cheers

 

floods while inconvenient for those who insist on building on flood plains are responsible for the quality of farmland restoring nutrition with each flood...
the floods that plague the eastern canadian prairies and the northern USA are also the reason the farmlands are so productive...
when Eygpt constructed the Aswan damn to control flooding no one really considered the consequences to the farmland downstream that required the nutrients... the nile delta is eroding without the silt that arrived with floods, shrimp harvesting in the Mediterranean is decreased due to fewer nutrients, Egyptian farmers now require fertilizer for their farms, farmland has been significantly degraded as result of flood control...diverting the Mississippi will have detrimental effects which those who depend on it would not appreciate...

 

People who don't believe in increased CO2 as critical to AGW are living in a flat earth world, free of science.

Who are these millionaires and billionaires that are outbidding the oil interests? This is a joke, right?

Yes 2+2=4, 4+4=8, 8+8=16. The CO2 necessary for each doubling goes up exponentially. So what? Our first time scheduled doubling from 280 ppm(We're presently around 400 ppm) is estimated to add roughly 3 deg. centigrade to our earth temperature. 2 deg. is more or less the consensus limit, also 450 ppm CO2, beyond which civilization takes a serious nose dive. I understand there is a fair amount of hope built into that.

You are leaving out the increased water vapor feedback produced by increased CO2 and the related diminished albedo(earth reflectivity).

 

I think those who post about people who don't believe in increased CO2 as critical to AGW, have no facts and can't prove it does. LOL!!!! 99% of models are wrong...Deal with it!

 

You don't have to remind me that your acquaintance with climate science is about on par with a gopher.

Got any idea when the earth was created? Does 6 thousand years sound about right?

 

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LOL!!!!!! Got anything to add to the thread?

 

where are people who stand by a religion that has been 100% wrong in every prediction they have made for 30 years live? Then there are the thousands of papers that have to do with past climate changes that you ignore because it does not fit with the predictions of doom

 

Source?

 

120 years worth of climate change chicken little predictions for your reading pleasure

http://butnowyouknow.net/those-who-fail-to-learn-from-history/climate-change-timeline/

more recently -

“Milder winters, drier summers: Climate study shows a need to adapt in Saxony Anhalt.”
Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, Press Release, January 10, 2010.

“More heat waves, no snow in the winter… Climate models… over 20 times more precise than the UN IPCC global models. In no other country do we have more precise calculations of climate consequences. They should form the basis for political planning… Temperatures in the wintertime will rise the most… there will be less cold air coming to Central Europe from the east…In the Alps winters will be 2°C warmer already between 2021 and 2050.”

Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, September 2, 2008.

“The new Germany will be characterized by dry-hot summers and warm-wet winters.”
Wilhelm Gerstengarbe and Peter Werner, Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK), March 2, 2007

“Clear climate trends are seen from the computer simulations. Foremost the winter months will be warmer all over Germany. Depending of CO2 emissions, temperatures will rise by up to 4°C, in the Alps by up to 5°C.”
Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Hamburg, 7 Dec 2009.

“In summer under certain conditions the scientists reckon with a complete melting of the Arctic sea ice. For Europe we expect an increase in drier and warmer summers. Winters on the other hand will be warmer and wetter.”
Erich Roeckner, Max Planck Institute, Hamburg, 29 Sept 2005.

“The more than ‘unusually ‘warm January weather is yet ‘another extreme event’, ‘a harbinger of the winters that are ahead of us’. … The global temperature will ‘increase every year by 0.2°C’”
Michael Müller, Socialist, State Secretary in the Federal Ministry of Environment,
Die Zeit, 15 Jan 2007

“Harsh winters likely will be more seldom and precipitation in the wintertime will be heavier everywhere. However, due to the milder temperatures, it’ll fall more often as rain than as snow.”
Online-Atlas of the Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft, 2010

“Good bye winter… In the northern hemisphere the deviations are much greater according to NOAA calculations, in some areas up to 5°C. That has consequences says DWD meteorologist Müller-Westermeier: When the snowline rises over large areas, the bare ground is warmed up even more by sunlight. This amplifies global warming. A process that is uncontrollable – and for this reason understandably arouses old childhood fears: First the snow disappears, and then winter.”
Die Zeit, 16 Mar 2007

“Computer models predict that the temperature rise will continue at that accelerated pace if emissions of heat-trapping gases are not reduced, and also predict that warming will be especially pronounced in the wintertime.”
Star News, William K. Stevens, New York Times, 11 Mar 2000

how many examples do you want? Polar bear extinction, millions of climate refugees, ice free arctic you name it

 

What will they do? What WILL they do? (answer...call Al Gore)

 

Looks like a big nothing to me, but I know denialists feed off this meaningless cherry picked stuff.